Bullet to Binary (Pt. Two)

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Arkana. I'm not sure what exactly your point is but I've had personal contact with Aaron a number of times and it is clear through his speech that he believes Jesus was/is the litreral son of the only God and that he brought salvation to us by his sacrifice on the cross. However, I heard Aaron say to someone else "Jesus said 'no one comes to the father but through me' but he never said 'no one comes to the father but through Christianity'" so I definitely think you're onto something with your implication that Aaron is not exclusively "Christian" in the sense of the modern American church. Probably, as L.C. Marston noted above, Aaron is striving to be much more like lthe early desert fathers. And as we all probably know and have mentioned, early Christianity and spirituality in the East included a vast array of ideas and conceptions that we really don't have in the modern American church. And that's a loss. Speaking of that, I have been saying how I think mwY will probably break up soon, etc. and my wife said that a friend of her's told her tonight that his friend who is quite close with mwY was saying that Aaron might actually be joining a monastery for a few years. However, this is completely hearsay. Still, it would certainly make sense with the direction that he and the band have been doing, lyricall and musically.

@ your last sentence:<br /> <br /> Jesus is fully man and eternally God.<br /> <br /> The word "God" means the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.<br /> Friend, you can't worship "God" without worshiping Christ.<br /> <br /> The Man Jesus Christ is an EXPRESSION of GOD.<br /> We're to worship Christ as we worship the Father <br /> because they are two individuals of One, the Trinity.<br /> <br /> If we don't then we're denying that Christ is the son of God.<br /> And salvation only comes from confessing that Christ IS God. (Romans 10:9)<br /> Jesus is LORD<br /> Jesus is GOD<br /> just as <br /> The Father is LORD<br /> and The Father is GOD<br /> <br /> Christ is God, in a physical body, as an expression of love.

From Aaron's lyrics - I truly believe he claims Christ as LORD, MESSIAH, GOD in the flesh, and the ONLY WAY.<br /> <br /> O, Porcupine:<br /> <br /> You wanna be set free?<br /> You wanna set me free?!<br /> Well that can ONLY come from<br /> A union with the One Who Never Dies.<br /> <br /> Jesus said:<br /> “I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever!” (Rev. 1:17—18)<br /> <br /> From what I've gathered, the ONLY thing that separates TRUTH from all else is the question 'Who is Jesus, Yeshua, the son of Mary and Joseph.' <br /> Mormon's will point you to the brother of Lucifer and one of many gods.<br /> Jehovah's Witnesses will tell you he is Michael, the archangel.<br /> Islam will tell you he was a prophet and great man, but God does not beget. <br /> Jews will bitterly admit that yes, he was a wise man, but no, he wasn't the Messiah, Emmanual, 'God with Us' that they are still eagerly awaiting, as it has been prophecied by Isaiah.<br /> <br /> Christ on many occasions referred to himself as the Messiah. The people of the time KNEW what that meant. In John 8:58 Jesus went so far as to use the very words by which God revealed Himself to Moses from the burning bush (Exod. 3:14), calling himself I AM, the name of God which was later translated to LORD, YHWH, etc. To the Jews this was the epitome of blasphemy. They knew that Jesus was clearly claiming to be God. On yet another occasion, Jesus explicitly told the Jews: “‘I and the Father are one.’ Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, ‘I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?’ ‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.’” (John 10:30—33)<br /> <br /> Finally, Jesus claimed to possess the very attributes of God. For example, He claimed omniscience by telling Peter, “This very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times” (Matt. 26:34); declared omnipotence by not only resurrecting Lazarus (John 11:43) but by raising Himself from the dead (John 2:19); and professed omnipresence by promising that He would be with His disciples “to the very end of the age” (Matt. 28:20). Not only so, but Jesus said to the paralytic in Luke 5:20, “Friend, your sins are forgiven.” In doing so, He claimed a prerogative reserved for God alone. In addition, when Thomas worshiped Jesus saying “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28)<br />

I liked that beetleking. You've got the Luke 21:15 mouth. That's how we know who truly worships the living breathing resurrected Lord. Christ ordains those who understands that Jesus IS Lord, Father IS Lord, and The Holy Spirit IS Lord. He gives them a mouth that pulls up wisdom from the depths of Scripture and provides indisputable proof and logic. <3

In response to the claim that Jesus never asked people to worship him, I point out: "Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him." (John 5:22-23)<br /> <br /> Absolutely, let each man and woman search it out themselves and, above all, take it to prayer, wherein the Father will answer if He desires to.<br /> <br /> Allahu akbar. Amin, amin.

so you truthfully believe that a devout muslim or hindu would be denied entrance to heaven simply based on the fact that they were born in a part of the world that wasn't christianity oriented?

I'd like to talk about the comment from "beetleking" you claim Aaron is speaking about Jesus in the O Porcupine lyrics, well compare it with the verse you gave from the Bible:<br /> You wanna be set free? You wanna set me free?! Well that can ONLY come from A union with the <br /> One Who Never Dies.<br /> Jesus said:<br /> “I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever!” (Rev. 1:17—18)<br /> <br /> You just proved yourself that Aaron was talking about God not Jesus because in the Bible verse Jesus states that he died and in the song Aaron says he can only come from the one who NEVER dies. God is the one who never dies, Jesus obviously died.<br /> <br /> I've read everyone else's comment, but as a final word I would like to say: Jesus can be the messiah, he can be the "son of God" however you define that, but don't call him God. The greatest misconception is the idea that Jesus is God, more-so the idea that the messiah has to be God. Come on people... where is your mind? While we're at it lets call Mary a god, Paul a god... seriously...

I don't think that's similar at all. One of the reasons Jesus was crucified was because He used the phrase "I am". In Hebrew, that translates to Yahweh which is, of course, the name of God. Neither Mary nor Paul nor any other contemporary of Jesus claimed to be such. Whether you believe that Jesus was the Son of God or not, He certainly claimed to be.

It's actually this precise debate that took me away from Christianity and brought me to Islam. <br /> <br /> In Mark 12, Jesus is asked which is the greatest commandment. He then says the following: "Here, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one." He says one, not three. He actually makes the claim that God is one several times. <br /> <br /> Mark 14:61-62 But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ,[f] the Son of the Blessed One?"<br /> "I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."<br /> <br /> Twice here He says that God is One and never mentions Himself as being God in the flesh. He actually calls himself the Son of Man. <br /> <br /> I'm not disputing Jesus' greatness. He was a great prophet that loved God dearly, and told others to do so. The Christians have turned it into a Polytheism though. In Italy, the home of the Vatican, more people pray to the apostles and Mary than do to God. Jesus and all of these others are ONLY human. God is One God and there is no other that deserves worship. Alla illaha il-Allah.<br /> <br /> I think Aaron recognizes this completely, I think what he is doing is something I thought about doing which is to bring Christianity back to its true purpose. Followers of Christ, worshipers of God.<br /> <br />

Siekertr21, If you are basing your entire outlook of Christ's divinity upon your interpretation of Mark 12 (also Deuteronomy 6:4), I hate to inform you but your interpretation is incorrect. The Hebrew in Deuteronomy 6:4 uses the word ECHAD which is most basically translated as "one." However, in the context of the rest of the Book of Deuteronomy the argument is not that God is one person or that there is only one God, the argument is that God is CONSISTENT. <br /> <br /> Also "Son of Man" is a term found in Daniel 7<br /> <br /> "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed."<br /> <br /> God alone is the one who can have an everlasting dominion. <br /> <br /> Jesus claims this title "Son of Man" for himself, as you've said.<br /> <br /> Jesus is CLEARLY accepting and demanding the recognition of his divinity.<br /> <br /> Christians are not polytheists. We worship the ONE TRUE GOD who came in the form of Jesus Christ to redeem us.

"The Son of your's is the Son that's my God"

Of course it's Psalters-eque. that's captain napkins himself. also, he sings in The Angel of Death Came to David's Room, and one other one that i can't remember now. i am going to guess you already knew this, because it would be difficult to notice that it sounded psaltery without noticing that it was captain napkins. but, oh well.<br /> <br />

@onethinwallaway <br /> It is indeed a Vegitale<br />

Sorry, I put the comment in the wrong place. Feel free to ignore it if you know no idea what I'm talking about