| My Chemical Romance – Helena Lyrics | 17 years ago |
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Before the 1920s no one ever had boyfriends or girlfriends. You got married and that was that. This modern (and it is modern) dating game (and it is a game) is one of the biggest scams of the 20th century, based on erroneous and foolhardy views of sexual freedom, and social engineering (connected to social darwinianism and behaviorism). They say sex should be just for marriage, well guess what? Romance should be just for marriage, too. They say it's better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all, well guess what? That's one of the biggest lies of all time. Ridiculous. Otiose. Absolute trumpery. Of course it's not. If you love someone you want to love them forever (just listen to any love song), not for a few months - weeks - days. You don't want to test drive all the cars in the garage before making a purchase (well, you do if it's a literal garage, but y'know), just get one car, the one you really love, with the leather seats and upholstery, the fluffy dice in the window, the chair that slides up and down, removable stereo, airbags on both sides, 4 star in Auto Magazine, bargain at just $7,400. Cha-ching! (I told them I could sell a used car to a dead man) Where was I? Oh yeah, you're putting yourself through all this for no effect. The dating game is a fools paradise, a mousetrap, fools gold, a whitewashed tomb, a lying wonder, a cloud without rain, wild waves of the sea, foaming up it's shame, it's for wandering stars, men who have chosen the way of Cain, it's east of Eden, it's the lonely pole star shining way up there in the sky. It's a clear night, the stars are out and romance is NOT in the air. Why don't you buy a book and read that instead, huh? |
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| Green Day – American Idiot Lyrics | 17 years ago |
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My analysis of this song would be that far from Green Day attempting to 'sell out', they do in fact - ludicrously, i know - believe that they have made a serious political point. Green Day are not so much the producers of sound bite politics designed for the consumption of chic in-the-know Bush-bashing teens (complete with anti-war protest banners, and Bush=Hitler bumper stickers) though they are that, as the product. They honestly believe, on the authority of that great American social commentator Michael Moore no less, that Bush is stupid (you know, American IDIOT, who d'ya think we mean, Alice Cooper?), that Karl Rove controls the world from his evil island base of evilness, that Dick Cheney will only be restrained from his daily SHOTGUN KILLING RAMPAGE when George Bush hear's voices in his head from God telling him that now is the time to confiscate the guns from those crazy trigger-happy AmeriKKKans, that Republican's are brainwashed by Fox News into blowing up the countries of dark-skinned Arabs, leaving scorched earth where the desert used to be (well, y,know), that watching the media (which is like sooo biased towards the right wing) will make Americans want to kill ethnic minorities where they sleep, shoot homosexuals, and laugh while women, old people and babies are swept away by floods caused by deliberately badly constructed levies built by pharmaceutical companies staffed by fundamentalist, redneck, far-right, Christian, fat people carrying handguns that Karl Rove has trained up (and, of course, brainwashed) on his imperialist colonial Pacific Island base of hanging chad conspiracies, racist propaganda, illegal nuclear warfare, and evil. |
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| Robbie Williams – Angels Lyrics | 17 years ago |
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A message for Christians: This song slanders heavenly beings. It is angel worship which is WRONG. You aren't supposed to 'love angels instead'. They sang this on Songs of Praise which shows just how apostate the Church is. 50% of Anglican clergyman don't believe in the Resurrection. The 'meaning' of this song in the biblical context is 'I'm loving heresy instead'. You have been warned. |
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| Green Day – American Idiot Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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| Green Day – American Idiot Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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My dog has no nose How does it smell? With genetically enhanced ears What do you call an Italian with a rubber toe? Roberto How do you know that I "want to be elite"? At least I don't claim to have mind reading capabilities. I don't know what you did to get so dumb but it really works. I need to be careful when I express my opinions in front of you, I want to put in as much vituperation as possible. I've noticed that the main rhetorical technique that you use in your ripostes is to change the subject whenever you start losing, crushed by the weight of the cold hard truth backed up by evidence, realising that yelping out sound bites for the benefit of village atheists everywhere isn't going to save you. Your moronic tendencies have been exposed for what they are. All the hours you spent agonising over how to reply to my blatantly superior argumentation have been wasted. Your only recourse is to change the subject, and whinge that my posts are too long and articulate for you to understand. I would ask you how old you are but I know you can't count that high. And, yes, I have seen people like you before, but I had to pay admission. You're so anus-clenchingly foolish, that you actually think the reason I disagree with you is to make myself smarter. No, the reason I disagree with you is because you're a retard (are your parents siblings?). I'd advise you not to listen to Green Day, you'll be intellectually out of your depth. I mean :"propaganda", what does that mean! It's such a long word! Help my tiny brain Free thought - you get what you pay for |
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| Deicide – Blame It On God Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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Atheist: The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is Reason. I have never used any other, and I trust I never shall Me: Why do you use reason? Atheist: Because it works. It has been responsible for the great technological achievements of man Me: How do you know it works? Atheist: I can see it’s effects. Me: How do you know you can ‘see’ it’s effects? Atheist: There is a very high probability that my eyesight works Me: How do you know that? Atheist: Through reason. Me: So you are using reason to support the use of reason. Atheist: I must use reason, what else can I use Me: That is an assertion, not based on reason. If you disagree, write out the logic you used to arrive at that point. Atheist: But reason clearly works. Me: That is just an assertion. Since it is not based on reason it is irrational, and therefore contradictory. Atheist: But you’re using reason to prove reason doesn’t exist Me: I never said it didn’t exist Atheist: OK, you using reason to prove to me that I can’t use reason. Me: That’s right, I’m using reason to show that the use of reason is irrational, and hence self-contradictory. Nothing you can say to me has any logical validity. Atheist: But surely everything you say is irrational too. Me: No. As a Christian I believe that God has planted knowledge of himself in our hearts. Therefore no knowledge is arrived at either by reason or the senses. Since God’s intellect is vast enough to know everything that can be known, when I look at the outside world, or use logic, I am merely being revealed (or being reminded of) the truths which God has already implanted in my mind. When I read the Bible, which is the infallible word of God, God himself is revealing the truths about the world and about himself to me and immediately conveying them to my intellect. From this premise I am able to reason deductively to true conclusions. Something you are unable to do. Atheist: You’re probably wrong. Why should I believe this is true? Me: Great, so you do agree with me. Atheist: What are you talking about? I just said I don’t. Me: What? Your mother is a cow? What makes you say a thing like that? Atheist: I did not say that. My mother is not a cow. Me: What? Your father is a criminal and your sister is a whore? Hey, I don’t need to know all that Atheist: Stop insulting my family! Me: I’m not insulting your family, you are. Atheist: You’re behaving completely irrationally. Me: I’m being no more irrational than you. In fact, because I begin with an infallible first premise whilst you begin with an irrational one I am automatically more rational than you in everything I say. Even if I receive brain damage or I’m talking in my sleep, I will still be able to defeat you in debate. You have no knowledge about anything, and are incapable of doing anything meaningful without using biblical presuppositions. However you have no reason to believe any of the Bible’s teachings about God unless you believe the whole Bible, because the Bible also claims that the whole Bible is the infallible word of God. Since you are not a Christian you have no rational way of proving that Christianity is false. Furthermore, the Bible says that every other world view is false. Atheist: What about non-Christian religions? Me: No non-christian religions apart from Judaism have this teaching. The Muslims believe that God is unknowable, therefore their God cannot communicate any knowledge to them, and therefore all that they say is irrational. The same problems exist in all other non-Christian religions and worldviews. Since the god’s of other religions lack ultimate power they can’t know the answers to the ultimate questions, and hence they can’t know anything, which means that they are completely irrational, and since the Bible is the only source of rationality, and the Bible denies the existence of any other gods, belief in them is simply incoherent. Atheist: I disagree Me: That is simply assertion and has precisely zero logical validity. |
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| DC Talk – Jesus Freak Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is Reason. I have never used any other, and I trust I never shall Why do you use reason? Because it works. It has been responsible for the great technological achievements of man How do you know it works? I can see it’s effects. How do you know you can ‘see’ it’s effects? There is a very high probability that my eyesight works How do you know that? Through reason. So you are using reason to support the use of reason. I must use reason, what else can I use That is an assertion, not based on reason. If you disagree, write out the logic you used to arrive at that point. But reason clearly works. That is just an assertion. Since it is not based on reason it is irrational, and therefore contradictory. But you’re using reason to prove reason doesn’t exist I never said it didn’t exist OK, you using reason to prove to me that I can’t use reason. That’s right, I’m using reason to show that the use of reason is irrational, and hence self-contradictory. Nothing you can say to me has any logical validity. But surely everything you say is irrational too. No. As a Christian I believe that God has planted knowledge of himself in our hearts. Therefore no knowledge is arrived at either by reason or the senses. Since God’s intellect is vast enough to know everything that can be known, when I look at the outside world, or use logic, I am merely being reminded of, or having revealed the truths which God has already implanted in my mind. When I read the Bible, which is the infallible word of God, God himself is revealing the truths about the world and about himself to me and immediately conveying them to my mind. From this premise I am able to reason deductively to true conclusions. Something you are unable to do. How do I know this is true? What did you just call me? I didn’t call you anything That’s not what your mum said! This is completely irrational I’m being no more irrational than you. In fact, because I begin with an infallible first premise whilst you begin with an irrational one I am automatically more rational than you in everything I say. Even if I receive brain damage, or I’m talking in my sleep I will still be able to defeat you in an argument. You have no knowledge about anything, and are incapable of doing anything meaningful without using biblical presuppositions. However you have no reason to believe any of the Bible’s teachings about God unless you believe the whole Bible, because the Bible also claims that the whole Bible is the infallible word of God. Since you are not a Christian you have no rational way of proving that Christianity is false. Furthermore, the Bible says that every other world view is false. What about non-Christian religions? No non-christian religions apart from Judaism have this teaching. The Muslims believe that God is unknowable, therefore their God cannot communicate any knowledge to them, and therefore all that they say is irrational. The same problems exist in all other non-Christian religions and worldviews. Since the god’s of other religions lack ultimate power they can’t know the answers to the ultimate questions, and hence can’t know anything, which means that they are completely irrational, and since the Bible is the only source of rationality, and the Bible denies the existence of any other gods, belief in them is simply incoherent. I disagree That is simply assertion and has precisely zero logical validity. |
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| Green Day – American Idiot Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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But then I suppose maiden name cocaine doesn't care about the poor or the disabled or anything like that. His argument consists not so much of logic but of sound bites thrown up in the air for the adoring applause of those who happen to like them. As for green day baby wondering where I get my insane ideas from. I get them from doing a course on the the sociology of religion. People like Emile Durkheim and Max Weber are concerned about a decline in religious belief precipitating an age of nihilism. But then i'm sure you know all about Durkheim. |
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| Green Day – American Idiot Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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"Its all well and good but i don't see how it has any bearing on you being a god fearing whore to the church." OK i'll explain shithead. If Christianity can be shown by polls from the like's of Harvard and Gallup to have an overwhelmingly positive effect on things like altruism, charitable donations, helping the disadvantaged, keeping children safe, making society more equal, increasing mental health, happiness and motivation etc. Then i'm not a 'god fearing whore to the church' because I'm not paid by the church and i'm not afraid of God. Your comeback was irrelevant and people only said they liked it because they're atheists, you're preaching to the choir. And obviously it went to your head so much you posted again. You even reckoned that i had a personality crisis, which isn't actually true. Also, if the world's leading philosopher has proved that religious belief doesn't violate the believers noetic duties then I'm perfectly warranted in believing what the hell i want to believe. You haven't refuted any of my points and you have been to be sub par in this argument. Also reeling off cliches like 'quality instead of quantity' may get you a slap on the back in a roomful of morons, but you've been totally obliterated in this debate. The situation is rather analogous to the armored knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail who, having had his limbs shorn off, avers, "Tis' only a flesh wound!" Well, i can't say you don't have a positive attitude. |
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| Green Day – American Idiot Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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Maiden name cocaine. I completely refuted your shitty little point. It made no sense. And, yes i did copy and paste an article, as you could clearly tell if you'd read it. I never claimed to have written that myself. But the fact is you're completely wrong and your insults at me for belonging to a religion that has done more good for society than any other worldview in history is stupid. Also, just because green day baby agrees with you doesn't make you correct. |
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| Deicide – Bastard of Christ Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| Yeah I believe that every culture ever discovered in the history of the world came up with a belief in God, but never, not once, did it have a real object. It's just a kind of collective mass delusion which had a very positive effect and can be defended by rational argument. Nothing mysterious about it. | |
| Deicide – Kill The Christian Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| No offense, i mean obviously i don't really think being agnostic is arrogant. All I'm saying is agnosticism isn't much of a worldview. | |
| P.O.D. – Abortion Is Murder Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| "On the other hand, the pro-life advocate does not eschew liberty. She believes that all human liberty is limited by another human person’s right to life. For example, one has a right to freely pursue any goal one believes is consistent with one’s happiness, such as attending a Los Angeles Lakers basketball game. One has no right, however, to freely pursue this goal at the expense of another’s life or liberty, such as running over pedestrians with one’s car so that one can get to the game on time. The pro-life advocate argues that fetuses are persons with a full right to life. Since the act of abortion results in the death of the unborn, abortion, with few exceptions, is not morally justified" | |
| P.O.D. – Abortion Is Murder Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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Frances Beckwith, philosopher "Unfortunately, the espousal of moral relativism has made it difficult for many people in our culture to distinguish between preference claims and moral claims. Rather than pondering and struggling with arguments for and against a particular moral perspective, people sometimes reduce the disagreement to a question of personal preference or subjective opinion. Take, for example, the issue of whether parents and other concerned citizens have a right to boycott products that are advertised during television programs these citizens find to be morally inappropriate, especially for children. The usual reply to these citizens is, “If you don’t like a particular program, you don’t have to watch it. You can always change the channel.” But does the person who employs this reply really understand what these citizens are saying? Consider another example: the debate over abortion rights. Many who defend a woman’s right to abortion (pro-choicers) sometimes tell those who oppose abortion rights (pro-lifers), “If you don’t like abortion, then don’t have one.” The intent and effect of such rhetoric is to reduce the abortion debate to a mere preference claim. That is, the objective moral rightness or wrongness of abortion (i.e., whether or not it involves killing an innocent human person) is declared, without argument, to be irrelevant. But this is clearly a mistake, for those who oppose abortion do so because they believe that the fetus (during most if not all of a woman’s pregnancy) is a human person with a right to life, and it is generally wrong, both objectively and universally, to violate a person’s right to life. For this reason, when the pro-lifer hears the pro-choicer tell her that if she doesn’t like abortion she doesn’t have to have one, it sounds to her as if the pro-choicer is saying, “If you don’t like murder, then don’t kill any innocent persons.” Understandably, the pro-lifer, committed to objective moral norms, finds such rhetoric perplexing as well as unpersuasive. Of course, a number of sophisticated pro-choice advocates are not moral relativists and recognize the error of substituting preference claims for substantive moral debate (see, for example, Louis P. Pojman, Ethics: Discovering Right and Wrong, 2d ed. [Belmont, Calif.: Wadsworth, 1995]. Pojman, a supporter of abortion rights, is a critic of moral relativism as well as a defender of moral objectivism. For his defense of the pro-choice position, see Pojman, “Abortion: A Defense of the Personhood Argument,” in Abortion Controversy, 275–90). But it does seem that in the popular debate, pro-choicers tend to reduce the question of abortion to a question of preference, proving they have been more affected by moral relativism than have their opponents." |
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| Deicide – Bastard of Christ Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| Wow, thanks for pointing that out. | |
| Deicide – Blame It On God Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| Deicide are so shit. You must reckon you're so hardcore listening to songs with lyrics like "You are the one who killed his own son" | |
| Deicide – Blame It On God Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| Wow what a great comeback. " Deal with it! ". I'm clearly dealing with an intellect that soars over mine. You must be so proud of your eloquence and intellectual capabilities. | |
| Deicide – Kill The Christian Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| Sorry that should have read 'examples' | |
| Deicide – Kill The Christian Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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Actually frozen in fire, calling yourself an agnostic is, like your name, contradictory. An atheist is someone who says there is no God. This is impossible because they'd have to be all powerful and all-knowing to be able to search the whole universe and outside the universe to find out if there is one. In fact they'd have to be God to say he doesn't exist. An agnostic claims that we can't know whether God exists. In fact an agnostic isn't just claiming that they don't know whether God exists. They also, rather arrogantly in my opinion, tell everyone who believes in God that they are wrong and that NO ONE can believe anything about God other than agnosticism. In a way that's much more arrogant than atheism and theism because we are merely saying whether or not we think that God exists. But you're saying that we're not even allowed to go to church or mosque or offer child sacrifices when we could be playing some crappy GBA game. In fact an agnostic claims that people throughout the world are facing a kind of mass delusion, where what they think is true is really false. So not only is the agnostic claiming to know what other people know, they are also, after not examining any arguments for or against or doing any research into this, saying that all the arguments are inconclusive one way or t'other and on top of that are offering us a free psycho-analysis session telling us we're all deluded and perhaps even in need of prescription drugs. But agnosticism isn't even a coherent view. Because you're saying that you KNOW that you don't know. You know that God is unknowable. The only thing you know for sure is that you don't know anything. Knowlege is the only thing that you know you can't know. It's postively known that the world is unknowable. But how do you know that. I honestly don't know. However a theist can believe that everyone really does believe what they claim to believe. The atheists really is an atheist and not someone masquerading as an atheist when they're really an agnostic. And the agnostic is really an agnostic and not an Imam. And the deist isn't really a Jew, and the Lutheran bishop isn't really a Calvinist. And the Russian orthodox isn't really a Greek Orthodox, and Pope isn't really a Buddhist etc. etc. I'm sure the clever reader can come up with example for his/herself. |
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| P.O.D. – Abortion Is Murder Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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Freejack... I don't really understand your point about how I can influence government foreign policy, and I don't see how it is connected with abortion at all. Consider these well-documented events: 1)The media has a complete black out of any information, images or arguments against pro-choice (but plenty of time for the like's of Peter Singer who reckons we can kill baby's even after they're born). 97% of people in the media think there should be no restrictions on abortions. This means... that as long as the babies in the womb... We can kill it painfully (however we can't take the baby out to do this because the baby magically 'comes alive' the second it's left the vicinity of the womb). This is believed by 97% of the media 2) Millions heaped on millions, 24% of all pregnancies are aborted. The abortion centres reap huge amounts of money from this, show no remorse and even try to trick non-pregnant people to get an abortion 'just in case' 3) The overwhelming majority of mothers who have abortions, after seeing the horrific methods used to kill a baby that certainly looks human, and appears to be in prolonged agony, feel profoundly guilty and this guilt haunts them for the rest of their lives unless they receive counselling... OK... Considering the above facts: Would it be fair to say that the media has some kind of influence on people's choices... Furthermore, you say the media is a 'business'. Actually you couldn't be more wrong. They are completely motivated by their own ideologies. Hollywood continuously puts out anti-Christian films and WITHOUT FAIL they all fail miserably to attract more than ten punters (the Da Vinci Code might not though…) . However any film based on Christian or pseudo-Christian ideas always succeeds e.g. Lord of the Rings, Passion of Christ, Narnia, Chariot’s of Fire. But how many films have they put out like that? 4 or so. Clearly it’s not all about money. NASA are sending a spacecraft into space to vacuum a comet. They are also going to Mars to search for extraterrestrial life. Both of these are costing the government several billion dollars. And this is the reason they’re doing it: To disprove the |Bible. You see, the Bible doesn’t mention aliens, and therefore if they find them then Christianity must be wrong. So if you want to know why they’re spending billions of dollars, that they could have spent on the poor and needy, on missions to Mars, it’s literally to look for little green men. They want to find little green men to discredit a religious text. That’s what hypocritical clowns like you think is worthwhile. And as for us not helping the poor, of course we fucking are. Surveys show that the average evangelical Christian household donates NINE times as much money as the average household. And assuming muslim’s give a fourtieth of their income that means atheists probably give something like or 1% of their income with Christians giving12%. The following link is interesting in that it shows that Christians are consistently more moral in every aspect of life: http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleid.17700/article_detail.asp To emphasise. PRO CHOICERS cause more trouble than pro lifers! You lose |
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| Green Day – American Idiot Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| On an atheistic view religion evolved as a means to increase social coherence and personal mental health. This mean's that even if atheism is true, not believing in God is likely to be disastrous for your own personal health and for the good of society. | |
| Green Day – American Idiot Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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Substance Abuse Research on 1,750 urban and rural high school students found that even after controlling for factors like parental control and support, students with no religious affiliation were vastly more likely to be underage drinkers. Among the non-religious, 98 percent of girls and 92 percent of boys were teen drinkers, and 19 percent of girls and 36 percent of boys were heavy drinkers (defined as four or more alcoholic drinks on two or more occasions each week). Among Protestants attending church at least five times per year, the comparable figures were 55 percent and 72 percent, and just 5 percent (boys and girls both) for heavy drinking. · A study of 2,048 ninth graders in Ontario found that religious behavior was the strongest single discouragement to marijuana, tobacco, and alcohol use. · A major Harvard study of inner-city youth found that those with a “strong religious orientation” were 54 percent less likely to use drugs. · A report from the Center for Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University reported that religious practice is one of the best predictors of whether a child will stay free of drugs. · Not only does religion keep people away from drugs, it often brings back to sobriety those who stumble. Carl Jung, the pioneering psychiatrist, failed to cure any chronic alcoholics despite years of therapy and eventually concluded that the only escape for serious alcoholics is “a vital spiritual experience” resulting in “huge emotional displacement and rearrangement.” Alcoholics have “a spiritual thirst for wholeness,” he wrote, that cannot be satisfied by therapy, but only by a genuine religious commitment. Recent research has drawn similar conclusions on the importance of spiritual conversion as a path out of addiction. Marriage and Family Life Decades of academic work show that “in the strongest marriages and families, commitment to God burns bright” (as one research collator put it). A few examples: · The very lowest risk of divorce today, numerous studies show, is among couples who attend religious services together. Only 7 percent of couples who attend church once a month or more will divorce within five years, according to the U.S. government’s National Survey of Family Growth. The rate is 2 1/2 times higher for couples who attend church just once a year or less. · Across the U.S., the prevalence of divorce is 17 percent among weekly churchgoers, versus 37 percent among couples who claim “no religion.” · Men professing no religion commit adultery more often, and report having far more sex partners. · Sexual satisfaction is higher among religious couples than others. A University of Kentucky study even found that religiously conservative couples tend to share household chores more fairly. Pollster George Gallup summarizes that religious people show up in survey research as “a breed apart.” In particular, “they tend to place greater importance on family life than do less spiritually committed persons.” Altruism Another distinguishing characteristic of religious people, Gallup reports, is that they are “far more involved in charitable activities.” His surveys show that 46 percent of the religiously active are involved in voluntary work with poor, elderly, or sick persons, versus just 22 percent of the non-religious. Gallup also finds that “highly spiritually committed” persons “tend to be more tolerant of persons of different races and religions,” and that “they do not turn inward; rather, they are vitally concerned about the betterment of society.” · Statistics from the charitable clearinghouse Independent Sector show that among people who attend church weekly, 71 percent are volunteers of some sort, to the tune of 3.4 hours per week on average, and that they donate 3.8 percent of their income to others. The comparable figures for people who never attend church: 40 percent volunteer, giving an average of 1.6 hours per week, and 0.8 percent of their income goes to charity. · A major study done for the Girl Scouts of America found that religious youngsters are much likelier than the non-religious to avoid anti-social acts and to engage in altruistic activities. Rich kids who are religious and poor kids who are religious “have far more in common with each other” than religious and non-religious kids in the same socioeconomic group do, according to the study authors. Sexual Behavior · A large multiple-regression analysis by Tom Smith of the University of Chicago’s National Opinion Research Center found that the most important influence by far on levels of sexual permissiveness among Americans is religiosity. Weekly church attendance sharply reduced incidences of premarital sex, extramarital adultery, and homosexuality, after controlling for other socioeconomic factors. · Researchers at the Urban Institute and elsewhere have found that the single best indicator of delayed sexual activity and avoidance of pregnancy among inner-city teens is membership in a conservative Protestant church. · Various studies show that religious teens are two to seven times as likely to avoid sexual intercourse as non-religious teens. · Marriage rates of young men are higher, and unwed fatherhood is lower, among religious youth. Crime and Delinquency · Dozens of academic studies show that even after adjustments are made for family influence, neighborhood, race, income, and other factors, religious commitment (particularly church attendance) clearly discourages delinquency among youth. · The National Survey of Families and Households tallied adolescent behavior problems like getting into trouble with the police, being suspended from school, running away from home, or developing emotional problems that require seeing a doctor. And researchers found that in every single family type--two-parent, one-parent, married, unmarried, step families, extended families, adopted families, etc.--parental church involvement is associated with significantly fewer behavior problems. · A sampling of 46,000 sixth- through twelfth-graders showed that those who attend religious services at least once a month are only half as likely to engage in vandalism, substance abuse, drunk driving, and other problem behaviors. · Extensive research by Harvard economist Richard Freeman and associates found that, all other factors being equal, inner-city residents who go to church are 59 percent less likely to commit crimes. (Teens are also far less likely to drop out of school, and adults more likely to hold a job, if they are worshippers.) · Church attendance is a more accurate predictor of criminal behavior than whether an individual lived in public housing, grew up in a single-parent household, or had parents who received welfare. · Churchgoing is the factor that most affects who escapes urban poverty, and is associated with “substantial differences in the behavior of youth…. [It] affects allocation of time, school attendance, work activity, and the frequency of socially deviant activity,” according to a book-length study by the National Bureau of Economic Research. · Investigations show that the religious are less likely to cheat on their taxes. · A survey of 24,000 magazine readers found that many admitted to serious lapses in ethical behavior--more than four out of ten had driven while intoxicated; 38 percent had cheated on their taxes; a third had deceived their best friend about something important within the previous year. Investigators found two clear patterns in these results: Younger respondents were most likely to engage in illegal or unethical behavior. And the more religious people were, the less likely they were to commit these morally questionable acts. · Inmates in prisons who make a religious commitment are less likely to return to jail after their release. · Historical studies by Christie Davies, James Q. Wilson, and others note that society-wide crime decreases often correlate with religious renewals, and that crime increases often take place when religion is falling from favor. Health · Regular church attenders live longer. Religious belief markedly reduces the incidence of heart attack, arteriosclerosis, high blood pressure, and other cardiovascular maladies in particular, as documented in research extending back to a 1972 publication by investigators from the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health. · A study of Canadian college students found that those involved with Christian campus groups were significantly healthier, made less use of health care services, and scored significantly higher on measures of psychological balance, ability to handle stress, and avoidance of depression--despite being similar to fellow students in other ways. · Elderly patients who are religious are likelier to make successful recoveries from surgery, according to a Dartmouth Medical School study. Happiness · George Gallup reports that religious people show up in public opinion research as much happier with their lot in life than the non-religious. “A total of 68 percent of the highly spiritually committed say they are ‘very happy,’ compared to 30 percent of the highly uncommitted.” · Overall satisfaction and marital contentment are higher, and depression rates are lower, among the religiously active. · People who pray report a greater sense of well-being than people who do not pray, according to researchers from the University of Akron. · Religious belief and practice can be important tools in rehabilitating refugees who have experienced torture, rape, starvation, and other inhumanity, according to San Francisco psychiatrists who worked with Cambodians who’d arrived in America with mental and physical debilities from traumatic experiences. · Individuals who don’t attend church are four times likelier to commit suicide than those who attend regularly. Locales that have low rates of church membership are consistently higher in suicide rates. Indeed, rates of church attendance predict suicide rates more effectively than any other factor, including unemployment. In addition to religion’s prophylactic effects in fending off destructive influences, there is evidence that religious belief can help individuals reach their very highest levels of potential. Our lead feature story by Charles Murray grows out of his large, multi-year project researching the roots of high achievement. Murray is not a religious fellow, but he is an astute and honest investigator, and discovered that religious conviction turns out to be one of the crucial factors behind extraordinary human accomplishments across the ages. |
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| Green Day – American Idiot Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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by MaidenNameCocaine on 02-28-2006 @ 07:33:25 PM I think chocolate is a god fearing little whore to the church This is typical atheistic grandstanding. What does this comment even mean? The phrase 'god fearing' is turned into an insult by using the phrase equivocally (clever). How am I a 'whore to the church', this would imply that I receive money to help the church accomplish it's goals (to inaguarate Christ's new kingdom and act as salt and light in the world as 'little Christ's' (the literal meaning of Christian) i.e. sharing people's pain, breaking down barriers, helping the sick and the poor). I don't receiving any money for going to church. As for the empty atheist arguments about God being a security blanket and other narrow-minded ignorant crap, any anthropologist could tell you that all religions are centrally based on religious experiences. Or in other words they honestly believe what they believe. An example: if I offered to give someone a million dollars if they stopped believing that 2+2=4 they wouldn't be able to claim it. While it may be possible that they could force themselves to undergo some form of brainwashing program to make them not believe it, it seems unlikely that under normal conditions a regular person, not under any huge degree of psychological stress would be able to alter their most basic beliefs. The world's leading philosopher Alvin Plantinga has proven that a theist even in the absence of any evidence for their belief is still warranted to believe without breaking any of their epistemic or cognitive duties. I haven't seen any reason to think that theism in untrue. In fact here is a page of debates about this very question by people who have pHD's for evaluation: http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/menus/debates.html But is it irreponsible to believe in Christianity? Has Christianity had a negative effect on society? No, in fact it's effect has been overwhelimingly positive! Before Christianity infanticide was universally accepted:http://www.christiancadre.org/member_contrib/cp_infanticide.html Before Christianity there was NO SUCH THING as charity in the sense we mean it today:http://www.christiancadre.org/member_contrib/cp_infanticide.html Also, on every single test of morality or citizenship church going Christians come first: According to the BBC News website evangelical Christians in Britain donate NINE times the average amount to charity per household(12% of their income) |
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| P.O.D. – Abortion Is Murder Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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Also I thought this was interesting article: “Saline abortions may be given after the 16th week and must be given after the 20th week. A large needle is inserted through the abdominal wall of the mother and into the baby's amniotic sac. A very concentrated salt solution is then injected into the amniotic fluid. The baby breathes this in through his mouth and nose. It enters his stomach. He begins struggling and convulsing. The salt burns the skin all over his body so badly that it becomes an ugly red. His nostrils, mouth, throat and gastrointestinal tract are burned by the salt. All this terrible suffering lasts a full hour. If not successful in killing the infant, another injection of salt is given. If successful—the baby is expelled as a still birth. The mother goes into labor about a day later and delivers a beet-red baby that was scalded to death by salt. Any nurse who works in an aborting hospital can tell you of a significant number of these babies that were born alive. Then the doctor has a problem what to do with them. He may choose to strangle them to death, but most of the time they are thrown into a nearby pail and kindly permitted to cry themselves to death. The suffering they have endured throughout the experience is terrific. The salt had not killed them, but neglect in the pail soon does. There are records of infants who have survived saline abortions and spent the first weeks of their life outside the womb in intensive care. But by a ruling of the Supreme Court in 1979 (Colatti v. Franklin), the child can be killed by the abortionist even though born alive following an attempted abortion. The mother cannot sue him for killing the little fellow after it is born. Any woman that gives an abortionist the legal right to take the life of her unborn son or daughter, is doing a very unwise thing. The corrosive effect of the concentrated salt, often burns and strips away the entire outer layer of the baby's skin. This exposes the raw, red, glazed-appearing, subcutaneous layer. The baby's head sometimes looks like a "candied apple." The actual cause of the salt poisoning death is known medically as acute hypernatremia (acute salt poisoning), with development of widespread vasodilatation, edema, congestion, hemorrhage, shock and death. (Galen, et al, "Fetal Pathology and Mechanism of Death in Saline Abortion," in American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, 120:347-355, 1974.) There is no abortion method widely practiced today which is not extremely cruel to the unborn infant. In the famous Waddel case in California in 1978, a survivor of salt poisoning, a nearly full term baby girl, was, according to the Coroner's report, killed by manual strangulation. But normally such incidents are not reported and so do not lead to court action. Here is a story from a West Coast newspaper: In California, a four pound baby was born alive after a salt injection. As reported, the doctor ordered the nurse not to use oxygen to save the baby's life. She replied that if she did not, the baby would die. The doctor replied, "Wasn't that the idea?" —She gave oxygen anyway [and was probably fired for doing it] —The baby lived and has been adopted. ("Baby Death Try Laid to Physician" in "The Bakersfield Californian," September 25, 1973.)” |
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| P.O.D. – Abortion Is Murder Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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Freejack:"That is possibly the best pro-life argument I've heard. The rest seems like flotsom to me. However, it only works if one actually has a personal doubt" However, I think we can all agree that if you have a doubt then you definitely shouldn't have an abortion. The risk of committing MURDER surely outweighs feeling sick for a few months and then looking after a child. And what's so bad about children anyway? There is such a thing as state benefits. Also there are loads of families crying out for a newborn baby to adopt (there also lots of older children crying out for someone to adopt them, maybe the adopters should set their sights 'lower'), so I don't have to adopt a baby myself to justify not being a trigger-happy abortionist. Because that's what abortion is, it's violence against an unborn child, they suck their brain's out and burn the rest, and they show all the signs of feeling pain. A film called Silent Scream which showed what actually happens during this most common operation in America was banned from appearing on TV, and in fact there's a mass media blackout of anything that affects the reigning 'pro-choice' agenda (it's not really pro-choice for women either because half of the babies are female, and what choice do THEY have once their brains have been vacuumed out of their flailing bodies with a high-powered suction tube causing their skull to collapse, after 12 weeks the doctor instead cuts the placenta and baby into pieces and scrapes them out into a basin ). The media have an agenda: according to a poll by the secular Wirthlin Agency in Baltimore, · while nearly all Americans (more than 90 percent) believe it is wrong to cheat sexually on your spouse, only about half of media people agree; · while about half of all Americans attend religious services regularly, only 9 percent of media people do; · while 72 percent (80 percent according to other polls) of Americans feel that abortion is somehow a bad thing and should have some restrictions placed on it by law, only 3 percent of media people do. Does that strike anyone as suspicious? The anti-abortion movement is much larger than the civil rights movement of the sixties ever was, in numbers of participants and numbers jailed, but the media simply black out these facts But do most people who have abortions have reservations? Yes they do. An overwhelming number of women who have had abortions say they regret it later and wish they had not done so. Most women who abort - by their own admission - do not believe their "fetus" was "only tissue" or "only potential life" but believe they killed their baby, and this sense of guilt haunts them for life if not dealt with. But this fact is also denied or censored by a total media blackout. Bill Clinton who is pro-choice said that he really wanted to cut down on the number of abortions. But why? If you really believe that there's no baby in there then what does it matter? You only want to cut down something if you think it's a bad thing. And abortion is either murder or its not. In that sense it IS a black-and-white issue. Currently the law stands that before 26 weeks an abortion can be had for no reason, after that it can be had for any reason. Parents regularly abort their child for purposes of sex-selection, or because it's disabled. This is despite the fact that disabled people have the lowest suicide rates of all people, but who cares, get that retard out of my sight. As soon as some people are seen as more valuable than others we have some serious problems. Is talking about rape, incest or medical problems a good argument? Not really because they make up only 3% of the 1,293,000 abortions EVERY YEAR. 24% of babies are aborted. By the way, here’s a picture of some of these ‘balls of cells’ that have been tastefully and humanely killed and chucked in a dumpster. http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/monica/mm1.htm In the past before Christianity ALL other civilizations used to practise infanticide. They saw nothing wrong with it. Now we know better. However with abortion we’ve sunk back into ancient times, the number of ‘back-alley butchers’ and ‘coat-hanger’ abortions are very low (my post at the top of the page shows the pro-choice leader admitting they simply made up the statistics). The fact is you must draw a line in the sand. If the baby’s alive and you know it, it’s murder. If you aren’t sure, but actually it really is alive, that’s manslaughter. If you aren’t sure, and you do it anyway, well that’s criminal negligence, and you should be ashamed of yourself. But then it’s big business. Abortionists in Australia make $190 minimum from each abortion, and they can do 10 to 12 an hour. That’s between $1,900 and $2,280 an hour. Leading abortion provider Carol Everett who owned 5 clinics said ‘If a non-pregnant girl turned up with a negative pregnancy test we’d try to prove she was pregnant’ She eventually left after seeing so many life’s devastated by having abortions I’m not against abortions in all cases, such as for the first few weeks but the current law that says that at 24 weeks abortions are still allowable even though babies can be born at 22 weeks is just plain wrong. |
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| P.O.D. – Abortion Is Murder Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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THE OPINION ON ABORTION We don't know when the 'fetus' becomes 'human' Maybe we should give it the benefit of the doubt... |
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| P.O.D. – Abortion Is Murder Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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'If you make abortion illegal, instead of it being done by prefessionals(sic) in hospitals, it will be done in garages, or by women themselves' Argument from the Dangers of Illegal Abortions Anyone who keeps up with the many pro-choice demonstrations in the United States cannot help but see on pro-choice placards and buttons a drawing of the infamous coat hanger. This symbol of the pro-choice movement represents the many women who were harmed or killed because they either performed illegal abortions on themselves (i.e., the surgery was performed with a "coat hanger") or went to unscrupulous physicians (or "back-alley butchers"). Hence, as the argument goes, if abortion is made illegal, then women will once again be harmed. Needless to say, this argument serves a powerful rhetorical purpose. Although the thought of finding a deceased young woman with a bloody coat hanger dangling between her legs is — to say the least — unpleasant, powerful and emotionally charged rhetoric does not a good argument make. The chief reason this argument fails is because it commits the fallacy of begging the question. In fact, as we shall see, this fallacy seems to lurk behind a good percentage of the popular arguments for the pro-choice position. One begs the question when one assumes what one is trying to prove. Another way of putting it is to say that the arguer is reasoning in a circle. For example, if one concludes that the Boston Celtics are the best team because no team is as good, one is not giving any reasons for this belief other than the conclusion one is trying to prove, since to claim that a team is the best team is exactly the same as saying that no team is as good. The question-begging nature of the coat-hanger argument is not difficult to discern: only by assuming that the unborn are not fully human does the argument work. If the unborn are not fully human, then the pro-choice advocate has a legitimate concern, just as one would have in overturning a law forbidding appendicitis operations if countless people were needlessly dying of both appendicitis and illegal operations. But if the unborn are fully human, this pro-choice argument is tantamount to saying that because people die or are harmed while killing other people, the state should make it safe for them to do so. Even some pro-choice advocates, who argue for their position in other ways, admit that the coat hanger/back-alley argument is fallacious. For example, pro-choice philosopher Mary Anne Warren clearly recognizes that her position on abortion cannot rest on this argument without it first being demonstrated that the unborn entity is not fully human. She writes that "the fact that restricting access to abortion has tragic side effects does not, in itself, show that the restrictions are unjustified, since murder is wrong regardless of the consequences of prohibiting it..."9 Although it is doubtful whether statistics can establish a particular moral position, it should be pointed out that there has been considerable debate over both the actual number of illegal abortions and the number of women who died as a result of them prior to legalization.10 Prior to Roe, pro-choicers were fond of saying that nearly a million women every year obtained illegal abortions performed with rusty coat hangers in back-alleys that resulted in thousands of fatalities. Given the gravity of the issue at hand, it would go beyond the duty of kindness to call such claims an exaggeration, because several well-attested facts establish that the pro-choice movement was simply lying. First, Dr. Bernard Nathanson — who was one of the original leaders of the American pro-abortion movement and co-founder of N.A.R.A.L. (National Abortion Rights Action League), and who has since become pro-life — admits that he and others in the abortion rights movement intentionally fabricated the number of women who allegedly died as a result of illegal abortions. How many deaths were we talking about when abortion was illegal? In N.A.R.A.L. we generally emphasized the drama of the individual case, not the mass statistics, but when we spoke of the latter it was always "5,000 to 10,000 deaths a year." I confess that I knew the figures were totally false, and I suppose the others did too if they stopped to think of it. But in the "morality" of the revolution, it was a useful figure, widely accepted, so why go out of our way to correct it with honest statistics. The overriding concern was to get the laws eliminated, and anything within reason which had to be done was permissible.11 Second, Dr. Nathanson's observation is borne out in the best official statistical studies available. According to the U.S. Bureau of Vital Statistics, there were a mere 39 women who died from illegal abortions in 1972, the year before Roe v. Wade.12 Dr. Andre Hellegers, the late Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology at Georgetown University Hospital, pointed out that there has been a steady decrease of abortion-related deaths since 1942. That year there were 1,231 deaths. Due to improved medical care and the use of penicillin, this number fell to 133 by 1968.13 The year before the first state-legalized abortion, 1966, there were about 120 abortion-related deaths.14 This is not to minimize the undeniable fact that such deaths were significant losses to the families and loved ones of those who died. But one must be willing to admit the equally undeniable fact that if the unborn are fully human, these abortion-related maternal deaths pale in comparison to the 1.5 million preborn humans who die (on the average) every year. And even if we grant that there were more abortion-related deaths than the low number confirmed, there is no doubt that the 5,000 to 10,000 deaths cited by the abortion rights movement is a gross exaggeration.15 Third, it is simply false to claim that there were nearly a million illegal abortions per year prior to legalization. There is no reliable statistical support for this claim.16 In addition, a highly sophisticated recent study has concluded that "a reasonable estimate for the actual number of criminal abortions per year in the prelegalization era [prior to 1967] would be from a low of 39,000 (1950) to a high of 210,000 (1961) and a mean of 98,000 per year.17 Fourth, it is misleading to say that pre-Roe illegal abortions were performed by "back-alley butchers" with rusty coat hangers. While president of Planned Parenthood, Dr. Mary Calderone pointed out in a 1960 American Journal of Health article that Dr. Kinsey showed in 1958 that 84% to 87% of all illegal abortions were performed by licensed physicians in good standing. Dr. Calderone herself concluded that "90% of all illegal abortions are presently done by physicians."18 It seems that the vast majority of the alleged "back-alley butchers" eventually became the "reproductive health providers" of our present day. |
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| Green Day – American Idiot Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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| Deicide – Kill The Christian Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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Maybe you're only aloud to make posts relevant to the topic of killing Christians on here. Hitler and Lenin, they killed a lot of Christians. Did you know that evangelical Christians in the UK donate NINE times as high a proportion of their income to charity as the average household. Studies show that Christians have higher IQs than atheists. 80% of philosophers believe in God, 90% of physicists and cosmologists, but it's a lot lower among historians and sociologists. This means that people who know what they're talking about are more likely to believe in God. God. God. God. Jesus. God. Peace. Galatians. Esther. Psalms... actually Instructor: Today we are going to discuss more on the origins of life. I am happy to be able to report to you that the experts are convinced that everything made itself. Student: But prof, what about deoxyribonucleic acid? How could it—DNA—make itself? Instructor: It probably happened one day when warm water in a pond got stirred up by a passing breeze. Student: DNA is a double stranded helix found inside chromosomes and contains four nucleotide units: adenine, guanine, cytosine, and thymine. How could that make itself? Instructor: Given enough time, all kinds of things can happen. Student: Averaging 60 thousand billion specks, the DNA in your body contains all your genetic traits. Each particle contains billions of complicated structures and codes. Instructor: Aha, yes, I have read something about that. Student: The spiraling sides of each DNA ladder is made of complicated sugar and phosphate compounds, and the crosspieces are nitrogen compounds. The structure is astounding, and then there are the codes— Instructor: H'mmm, yes. Student: Everyone's codes are different from everyone else's. Yet there are billions of people in the world. But that is because all the DNA codes in just one molecule would, if put into English, fill an exhaustive set of encyclopedias of human knowledge. Instructor: And then the DNA splits apart, admittedly a crude process. Student: Far from crude! The DNA ladder literally unhooks and then rehooks. Old cells are constantly dying, so new ones must continually be made. Yet old cells die by the billions every minute. So fast, accurate work has to be done. When the cells divide, the DNA ladder splits down the middle. Instructor: That just goes to show how well that breeze blew on that pond, back then. Mother Nature is very resourceful. Student: It would be impossible for pond water to produce this. Almost instantly, the ladders unhook, and a new half for each is made—and now there are two laddered DNA molecules, where there was one. Instructor: That's going a little too fast. Student: A thousand new base pairs are made each second. The human body has 100 trillion cells, and every minute 3 billion of them die in your body. Instructor: Haste makes waste. Such speed probably produces mistakes, especially since it all started with pond water. Student: Careful accuracy is maintained by controller enzymes throughout the process. For example, the editese enzyme checks as the splitting apart and reformation is carried out—to make sure it is done right, and the new DNA molecule is exactly like the old one. Instructor: It would be impossible for a little enzymatic fluid to be so intelligent, and so fast. Student: But researchers have found that is what happens. As soon as the new DNA is made, it begins working in a new cell prepared for it. For not only the DNA, but the cell it would be housed in, had to quickly be made. Instructor: I understand that the DNA then sends out messages— Student: The body is composed of cells, and the cells are told by the DNA everything they are to do. But, when it sends out those messages, a translator package is needed to explain it to the cells. Instructor: It is hard to see how all that could have come from pond water. Student: It didn't. The translation package has to be made, just like the DNA and the rest of the cell. And it has to work perfectly, right from the start! Then there are the message codes— Instructor: Yes, codes, I have read something about them. Student: Each cell contains a hundred thousand million atoms, yet each atom will be arranged in a specific order. How could that come out of pond water? Instructor: I'm losing faith in pond water. Student: We haven't even mentioned RNA. There is a specific s-RNA molecule for every individual amino acid. There are lots of other RNA molecules, each one doing something different. Instructor: Sigh! Student: Then there is the t-RNA. It is in between the DNA and each amino acid—so there are 20 kinds of t-RNA. Chemically, each one is different than the others. Yet they all have to be there. t-RNA changes the DNA code to a different code, which the amino acid understands. And then there is the— Instructor: Saved by the bell! Well, students, we must have faith in pond water. |
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| Deicide – Kill The Christian Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| I find it interesting that evolution is taught as fact in schools funded by government money, extreme anti-religion is taught in sociology and Deicide can write songs about how they want Christians killed (as if atheists haven't done enough killing already!) but posts defending any other position are to be deleted. What's going on?! | |
| P.O.D. – Abortion Is Murder Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| gosh that was a badly written post. Can I redeem myself? No for we have all sinned (apart from frozen in fire) and fall short of the glory of God. Jesus demonstrated his love for the world by being crucified for our sakes. By his precious blood spilt for us we have been made alive! All of us! greek and jew, slave and free, green day baby and hedgemon. So stop bitching at me for a second green day baby and offer up thanksgiving to the Uncaused Cause of the Universe | |
| P.O.D. – Abortion Is Murder Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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Green day baby... I recommend you read my posts before replying at length to them. I don't hate P.O.D., I was just pointing out that you hating them doesn't make you a genius. Again, I'm really not trying to antagonise you because I'm aware of your temper, and I'm fine with that. You completely missed my point. I was saying that P.O.D. are wrong to link their own personal views on abortion with the bible when it mentions nothing of the sort. I'm assuming you've read all 4 of the articles linked so I will proceed to argue from them: Firstly, it's hypocritical to say "I wouldn't have an abortion", but also "People have a right to choose". This is hypocritical. You either believe it's murder or not. If you think it's not murder then you should be free to have an abortion. If you think it IS murder then why the hell are passing laws to make it legal. Surely you don't think murder should be legal. Secondly, I think you are very sexist for saying I can't have views because i'm not a woman. Does this mean that if a woman has cancer on her ovaries she can't have an opinion? Again I think you're a sexist pig lol Thirdly, most arguments for abortion are circular. Appealing to the (very very very few) cases where there's something like rape or incest is a circular argument, because murder would logically take precedence. (remember I'm not against abortion, I just think the limit should be lowered) Also I notice that people who you think are disabled, actually have much lower suicide rates than healthy people like you. You should appreciate being able-bodied and also realise that the handicapped a people too, and aborting people who society looks down on for being adopted or unhealthy, are people too. So in conclusion you're a racist, bigoted, misanthrope who'd look mighty fine from a yard-arm (and yes that was a death threat) |
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| 50 Cent – Candy Shop Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| Free your mind, set it free like the eagle. Let the wind take you. Take you where you want to be. Open your mind to liberty. Build a boat and set out onto the sea. Raise the sails, and raise a brand new day. Let the sunlight in. Don't cry, and don't ever look back. Don't look back in anger. Don't get lost in thought. But contemplate, contemplate all the time, because your soul is a gold mine. Write your song, take a deep breath, and sing for everything you're worth, about how you love the world. About how the forest gave you birth. How the bullets dance and swerve. Don't hurt the smallest living creature. But don't be afraid to take on tigers. Sleep, dream, fly, and as you fly you'll feel your chains fall away. And on your way, it's always today. So look at every tree, and birds that you see, that's how you want to be, just flying there, free. | |
| 50 Cent – Candy Shop Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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I was quoting the victorian novelist G.K. Chesterton actually Joy, which was the small publicity of the pagan, is the gigantic secret of the Christian. And as I close this chaotic volume I open again the strange small book from which all Christianity came; and I am again haunted by a kind of confirmation. The tremendous figure which fills the Gospels towers in this respect, as in every other, above all the thinkers who ever thought themselves tall. His pathos was natural, almost casual. The Stoics, ancient and modern, were proud of concealing their tears. He never concealed His tears; He showed them plainly on His open face at any daily sight, such as the far sight of His native city. Yet He concealed something. Solemn supermen and imperial diplomatists are proud of restraining their anger. He never restrained His anger. He flung furniture down the front steps of the Temple, and asked men how they expected to escape the damnation of Hell. Yet He restrained something. I say it with reverence; there was in that shattering personality a thread that must be called shyness. There was something that He hid from all men when He went up a mountain to pray. There was something that He covered constantly by abrupt silence or impetuous isolation. There was some one thing that was too great for God to show us when He walked upon our earth; and I have sometimes fancied that it was His mirth. |
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| Deicide – Blame It On God Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| i'll 'Stay out' when deicide stop writing songs about the death of god (by definition a being outside of space and time can't cease to exist) PREPARE YOURSELF FOR THE UNTHINKABLE | |
| Deicide – Kill The Christian Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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As for the accusation of arrogance, I don't really see I've made any 'arrogant' statements, unless you're arguing that having any other religious belief other than agnosticism is arrogant. I was joking about being better educated and 'being god', i didn't mean it to be taken literally. as for the crusades, i was just saying what i'd learnt in history class, If it's wrong then i've still covered myself because i said wars are 'rarely, if ever' started for religious reasons which would still be true if you found one religious conflict saying that atheists aren't necessarily 'nice', was in reference to frozen in fire's point about organised religion being immoral, there is no basis for that belief. And so killing the christian won't bring about world peace, nor will a universal conversion to agnosticism. I have only 'completely CONTRADICTED' myself if the two phrases i made were mutually exclusive. They aren't. The first one was basically saying (in an unrefuted view) that evolution can't explain moral values, since all movements are necessary motions of atoms, how can you appeal to an invisible 'moral law' that applies in all situations to all people. To be honest, I'm not sure I agree with that(!) because it could be POSSIBLE (though I would argue almost infinitely unlikely) that we could have simply evolved to a level where a 'coincidental' appendage of our brain suddenly gave as a conscience. I'm not actually sure why I made the point about 'moral high ground', I blame sleep-deprivation. so you're not attacking a 'straw man', but i was just really tired (i mean i was feeling ill at the time..) When i said stalin, i should have said 'stalin et al', as in the sucession of russian communist leaders. The 70 million figure is correct (according to solzhentsyn (wrong spelling) who is probably the most informed source in the world on this). As for the massacres in china, i got that from an television interview with the biographer of Mao, which I'd imagine is probably reliable, apparently the number of deaths has been covered up (interestingly a lot of evolutionary 'science' has been done under communist regimes for propagands purposes and is still used, including the entirely spurious claim about 'primordial soup' which as far as scientists know never existed)). So I haven't actually manipulated statistics, though i apologise for attributing so many to stalin. As for just saying that these were all done by 'fanatics', that firstly would back up my point that organised religion isn't immoral, secondly it doesn't take away the fact that far lesser numbers of atheists, have consistently (there are a lot of these tyrants!), in a far shorter time, managed to kill far more people than christians, which i don't think is a coincidence, thirdly it's ridiculous to blame what happened on a few people, a leader always needs the consent of the public. I also think that the standard arguments for god above, combined with the three linked arguments for jesus divinity linked below, make it so incredibly unlikely that god could not exist, that you would either have to throw out all the information that you do know to deny them, or else reverse all laws of logic. I honestly fail to see how anyone could not find them utterly compelling, and can only guess that people either have prior conclusions, or fail to read them carefully... http://www.apologetics.com/default.jsp?bodycontent=/articles/historical_apologetics/craig-resurrection.html http://www.tektonics.org/lp/nowayjose.html http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/trilemma.html |
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| Deicide – Kill The Christian Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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here are some standard arguments for god's existence 1)cosmological you know the rhyme about the old woman who swallowed a cow? she swallowed the cow to catch the dog, to catch the cat, to catch the bird, to catch the mouse, to catch the spider, to catch the fly. Why? I don't know why she swallowed the fly. This is a similar situation. Ther are just 3 possiblities 1)universe always existed 2)universe didn't exist; then existed 3)god existed; he made the universe Turning to mathematics we see that leading mathematicians all agree that an *actual infinite* cannot exist in real life, only a *potential infinite*. A potential infinite is never actually infinite you can keep adding one. But an actual infinite, despite existing in mathematical theory, ceases to be viable once translated into real-world measures (e.g. centimeres, days). It can't exist. Another way of looking at this is that if there are an infinite amount of days/stages before today, we can't reach today. Or infinity minus infinity is infinity, entailing a contradition. Combine this with the fact that the law of entropy, one of the most important laws in physics, forbids an infinitely old universe, and add to this the consensus of 100% of scientists, and it remains that no matter what the atheist may want, in the end the universe HAD A BEGINNING 2 is obviously false, since something can't appear out of nothing 3 is the only possibly true answer, god exits outside of space, time, and matter and is therefore immeasurable. something existed in the first place and since it can't be space/time, it must be something outside it, what is known as god. furthermore this must be a personal being to choose to create a finitely timed universe. nothing 'created' god since he is the uncreated one, the necessary source of being 2) For the 'fine-tuning' argument i'll quote Craig "Well, the answer is that the chances that the universe should be life–permitting are so infinitesimal as to be incomprehensible and incalculable. For example, Stephen Hawking has estimated that if the rate of the universe's expansion one second after the Big Bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have re–collapsed into a hot fireball.{5} P.C.W. Davies has calculated that the odds against the initial conditions being suitable for star formation (without which planets could not exist) is one followed by a thousand billion billion zeroes, at least.{6} [He also] estimates that a change in the strength of gravity or of the weak force by only one part in 10 raised to the 100th power would have prevented a life–permitting universe.{7} There are around 50 such constants and quantities present in the Big Bang which must be fine–tuned in this way if the universe is to permit life. And it's not just each quantity which must be finely tuned; their ratios to each other must also be exquisitely finely tuned. So improbability is multiplied by improbability by improbability until our minds are reeling in incomprehensible numbers. Robert Jastrow, the head of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, calls this the most powerful evidence for the existence of God ever to come out of science" And, no, scientists don't believe there are 'parallell' universes 3)Scientists reckon that the chance of a creature on another planet evolving to the level of human intelligence is nil (think about this one) 4)Scientists calculate the probability (and yet they reckon it still happened?!) of a single living cell forming out of non-living matter in the entire history of the universe to be one chance in 10 to the power of 340,000,000. If someone were to ask me to entrust my life to ride on a plane, and then explained that the airline company completed it's flights safely once in every 10 to the power of 340,000,000 times, I certainly would not get on board, nor would anyone else in their right mind 5)Evolution has increasingly come under attack: read this article by an atheist http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/locke.html 6) Many creatures/features, (e.g. caterpillars that metamorphose into flying butterflies, the change from asexual to sexual reproduction, the simultaneous appearance of seed-bearing plants and the insects that pollinate them) are admittedly inexplicable on evolutionary terms 7)Mutations can't function as a means of INCREASING information, they either destroy or corrupt. e.g. a wolf can be bred to create all forms and colours of dogs, but once you reach a poodle, two poodles have lost so much data they can only make a poodle (and who would win in a fight between a wolf and a poodle!) 8)10% of all creatures have been found in the fossil strata, 99.99% of paleontological excavation has been done since Darwin said there would be 'hundreds' of transitional fossils. they haven't found ONE... This makes evolution utterly impossible on the gradualist model 9) in fact many evolutionists, such as gould and eldredge, have come up with a neo-darwinian theory of punctuated equlibrium, aka the hopeful monster theory, where a 'monster' suddenly leaps forward in development and outlives the others so evolution goes forward in spurts (hence explaining the complete absence of transitional fossils!) unfortunately this seems like a hopeless monster theory, because getting e.g. a long neck, would require shorter legs, longer tails, bigger chest muscles, smaller hoofs, go faster stripes and so on |
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| Deicide – Kill The Christian Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| Now, in conclusion, let us see what an unbeliever must believe in consistency with his profession. He must believe that the apostles were either such weak-minded men as to imagine that their crucified Master had been with them, from time to time, during forty days after his burial, had conversed with them, and eaten with them, and that they had every sensible evidence of his resurrection, while in truth he had not been near them, but was still in his sepulchre; or else that they were so wicked and deceitful as to go all over the world preaching that he was risen from the dead, when they knew it was a gross fabrication. Suppose the unbeliever to choose the latter of these alternatives. Then he believes, not only that those men were so singularly attached to this untruth as to give themselves up to all manner of disgrace, and persecutions and labour, for the sake of making all the world believe it, knowing that their own destruction could be the only consequence; but also, what is still more singular, that when they plunged, immediately at the outset of their ministry, into an immense multitude of those who, having lately crucified the Saviour, were full of enmity to his disciples; they succeeded, without learning, eloquence, power, or a single conceivable motive, in making three thousand of them believe that he, whom they had seen on the cross, was indeed alive again; and believe it so fully, as to renounce every thing, and be willing to suffer any thing, for the sake of it, and this on the very spot where the guards that had kept the sepulcher were at hand to tell what was become of the body of Jesus. He must believe, moreover, that although in attempting to propagate a new religion to the exclusion of every other, they were undertaking what was entirely new, and opposed to the views of all nations; although the doctrines they preached were resisted by all the influence of the several priesthoods; all the power of the several governments; all the passions, habits, and prejudices of the people; and all the wit and pride of the philosophers of all nations; although the age was such as insured to their fabrications the most intelligent examination, with the strongest possible disposition to detect them; although, in themselves, these infatuated men were directly the reverse of what such resistance demanded, and, when they commenced, were surrounded by circumstances of the most depressing kind, and by opposers specially exulting in the confidence of their destruction; although the mode they adopted was of all others most calculated to expose their own weakness and dishonesty, and to imbitter the enmity and increase the contempt of their opposers, so that they encountered everywhere the most tremendous persecutions, till torture and death were almost synonymous with the name of Christian; although they had nothing to propose, to Jew or Gentile, as a matter of faith, but what the wisdom of the world ridiculed, and the vice of the world hated, and all men were united in despising; although they had nothing earthly with which to tempt any one to receive their fabrication, except the necessity of an entire change in all his habits and dispositions, and an assurance that tribulations and persecutions must be his portion: Yet when philosophers, with all their learning, and rank, and subtlety, and veneration, could produce no effect on the public mind, these obscure Galileans obtained such influence, throughout the whole extent of the Roman empire, and especially in the most enlightened cities, that, in thirty years, what they themselves (by the supposition) did not believe, they made hundreds of thousands of all classes, philosophers, senators, governors, priests, soldiers, as well as plebeians, believe, and maintain unto death; yea, they planted this doctrine of their own invention so deeply that all the persecutions of three hundred years could not root it up; they established the gospel so permanently that in three hundred years it was the established religion of an empire co-extensive with the known world, and continues still the religion of all civilized nations. This, says the unbeliever, they did simply by their own wit and industry; and yet, he well knows that, preachers of the gospel, with incomparably more learning, with equal industry, in far greater numbers, and in circumstances immeasurably more propitious, have attempted to do something of the same kind among heathen nations, and could never even approximate to their success. Still the apostles had no help but that of their own ingenuity and diligence! Such is the belief of the unbeliever. To escape acknowledging that the apostles were aided by miraculous assistance, he makes them to have possessed in themselves miraculous ability. To get rid of one miracle in the work, he has to make twelve miracles out of the twelve agents of the work. The Christian takes a far different course. "Paul planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase." The weapons of their warfare were not carnal, but mighty through God, to the pulling down of strong holds. To which solution, philosophy or common sense would award the prize of rational decision, it is easy to determine. | |
| Deicide – Kill The Christian Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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the da vinci code is a fiction book... Rest assured i've read tonnes on this stuff, literally volumes of books and *some* websites, books are more trustworthy, and i'm persuaded by factual evidence not by simply picking up a book, and just believing everything it says (that would be strange) How was the nt canon formed http://www.tektonics.org/lp/ntcanon.html Textual reliability of the new testament http://www.tektonics.org/lp/nttextcrit.html dates and authorship of gospels (this is a bit hard going but if you honestly want to find out about this rather than hurling summary arguments you have to really read this) http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/gospdefhub.html This one establishes that jesus really claimed to be god http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/jesusclaimshub.html Which forces the atheist into the trilemma http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/trilemma.html THE IMPOSSILE FAITH (it really is impossible!) http://www.tektonics.org/lp/nowayjose.html The da vinci 'code' debunked http://www.tektonics.org/davincicrude.htm You may be a fundamentalist atheist if... http://www.tektonics.org/parody/fundyath.html Could i also point out that 100% of scholars agree a) jesus existed b) jesus made 'unique' claims about himself c) he was crucified and d) HE LEFT AN EMPTY TOMB All theories to explain away the empty tomb have been debunked Below, is a great article http://www.apologetics.com/default.jsp?bodycontent=/articles/historical_apologetics/craig-resurrection.html Just for the sake of it i'll quote paley and then mcilvane The institution, which properly began only after its Author's removal from the world, before the end of thirty years, had spread itself through Judea, Galilee, and Samaria, almost all the numerous districts of the Lesser Asia, through Greece, and the islands of the Aegean Sea, the seacoast of Africa, and had extended itself to Rome, and into Italy. At Antioch, in Syria, at Joppa, Ephesus, Corinth, Thessalonica, Berea, Iconium, Derbe, Antioch in Pisidia, at Lydda, Saron, the number of converts is intimated by the expressions, "a great number," "great multitudes," "much people." Converts are mentioned, without any designation of their number, at Tyre, Cesarea, Troas, Athens, Philippi, Lystra, Damascus. During all this time Jerusalem continued not only the centre of the mission, but a principal seat of the religion; for when Saint Paul returned thither at the conclusion of the period of which we are now considering the accounts, the other apostles pointed out to him, as a reason for his compliance with their advice, "how many thousands (myriads, ten thousands) there were in that city who believed." |
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| Deicide – Kill The Christian Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| well ok if he's a pagan, then i could name any number of people all across the board | |
| Deicide – Kill The Christian Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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well positive tension, these millions of people killed by atheists were killed in countries such as the Soviet Union (Russia, Ukraine, Poland) etc. about 70 million people were killed under Stalin. A further 70 million were killed under Mao in China. Already this is far in excess of the 29 million killed under 'Christian' regimes. Further people were killed by the likes of Pol Pot in Cambodia, who in fact ordered an annhilation of all christians. Having studied the crusades: it wasn't started for religious reasons. The Turkish Muslims attacked the Arab Muslims, and the Arabs asked the Pope for help, so the Pope mobilised the forces of Christian nations to defend Arab land. It may have been prolonged for religious reasons, but it wasn't started for them. When has an atheist tried to convert me.. hmm how about just now on this page with this pakana character. Saying that atheists have killed more people than any other religion is simply not the same as saying that christian's are 'immune to sin', in fact it's a central christian doctrine that we are prone to sin like everyone else, and are entirely dependent on god for what righteousness we have. Perhaps the 'moral majority' should be called the 'forgiven majority'. But the fact is people are bastards, i'm a bastard, you're a bastard, we all are really nasty. In fact, under certain circumstances we'd all go along with the tyrants in their campaigns of mass murder (witness what happened in germany), we really are no better than murderers. Also as a christian i hear myself being constantly criticised for being 'gullible' or 'brainwashed' (even my grandad told me I was!), I honestly don't see atheists being criticised for their lack of beliefs. In my sociology class, it's just basically a free-for-all assault on christianity hour (or 3 hours). People often literally make up things and apply them to all 2.1. billion christians e.g. that famous bible verse where it says only women should be stoned for adultery, or the one about men being created on the first day, then the animals, and the women, or of course the one about jesus hatred of prostitutes and love of legalism - it's all in there, i dunno somewhere near the back. They even invoke Marxist economics to criticise it, despite there being literally no Marxist economists left since they figured out supply/demand effectively nullifies the factory-owner's abilities to 'exploit' the workers. Evolution is taught as a 'fact' on tv, I've never said christianity was a fact, i'm about 95% sure (maybe more actually, but thats for another day), but apparently evolution is oh so factually correct, just like your christians have killed more people than atheists statistics. As for you dreaming that you have an objective source for right and wrong, many philosophers and evolutionists, such as Nietzsche would disagree with you. On an evolutionary level, care for weaker people simply makes no sense. The theory that it evolved as an instinct to preserve society simply doesn't fit the case, just because something IS an instinct doesn't mean you SHOULD obey it. Also the bible actually says (in Romans) that you don't need to read the bible to know right from wrong so you're attacking a straw man. As for atheists not knocking on peoples doors to recruit, actually you'll be surprised to find that they do |
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| Green Day – American Idiot Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| I was explaining what message Billy was trying to convey, of course the terrorist threat isn't imaginary, i've seen 24, why did you say 'AMERICAN' in capital letters? maybe you're the one on crack | |
| James Blunt – You're Beautiful Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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"the evil powers that dictate them." Hi Karl Marx, I don't think you quite understand the principles of supply and demand |
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| 50 Cent – Candy Shop Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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Lyrical analysis Intro Yeah... Uh huh So seductive 50 cent gives an existential affirmative to prove to himself that he exists, he notices Olivia and starts to make a primitive attempt to mate with her Chorus - 50 [50 Cent] I take you to the candy shop I'll let you lick the lollypop Go 'head girl, don't you stop Keep going 'til you hit the spot (woah) He decides to attempt a witty metaphor, he compares his genitals to a lolly pop, for rhetorical purposes he refers to the sexual experience as a corner shop, he urges olivia to keep going till she's satisfied him completely, then he dies of being a twat |
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| Green Day – American Idiot Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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Lyrical analysis First Verse Don't wanna be an American idiot. Don't want a nation under the new mania. And can you hear the sound of hysteria? The subliminal mindfuck America. On a personal level Billy Joel doesn't want to be a stupid American, more broadly he feels that his fatherland has gone to the dogs, and has become maniacal and hysterical, the extreme unwarranted tension in society has made people paranoid of an imaginary terrorist threat and has resulted in an erosion in civil liberties as the general public develop a persecution complex at the hands of their invisible oppressors, big business networks that are stealing money from poor black women and children with learning difficulties are using subliminal messages in their advertising to interfere with the minds of the proletariat, with these means of social control in place the government is reaping and harvesting their minds for it's own nebulous purposes of world domination and control of the oil markets CHORUS Welcome to a new kind of tension. All across the alien nation. Everything isn't meant to be okay. Television dreams of tomorrow. We're not the ones who're meant to follow. For it's enough to argue In the chorus Billy projects a kind of Orwellian nightmare for his nations future, people have become tense and stressed by the demands of modern life, and are now mere puppets in the hands of an omnipotent government and unstable psychologists who hand out anti-depressants in restaurants, and who give guns to children in exchange for book vouchers which they burn in fires which use the rights of minority groups as fuel, they dance round like cheeseballs, and pour money into the SETI program in case they find alien life for them to trade with, but everyone is so brainwashed by adverts for toothpaste and news reports about impending global destruction and biological warfare, that they lose their critical faculties and turn into zombies which are gunned down by government helicopters Third verse Well maybe I'm the faggot America. I'm not a part of a redneck agenda. Now everybody do the propaganda. And sing along in the age of paranoia Billy contemplates homosexuality, before aiming a fierce attack against people with a skin colour he doesn't approve of, eventually he capitulates to the overwheming stress placed on his personality and decides to become a chief spokesman for the state propaganda ministry, encouraging people to sing songs about how paranoid they are Third verse Don't wanna be an American idiot. One nation controlled by the media. Information nation of hysteria. It's going out to idiot America. In the third verse he has a volte face and decides that he doesn't want to sell his intelligence short by allowing the scheming media's interpolations to control peoples lives through mind fucking and subliminal messaging, he takes a sneaky sideways snipe about the top-heavy information laden culture that gives people a short attention span and can only listen to information in short soundbites or three minute segments, thoughout he has used just five chords |
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| Coldplay – The Scientist Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| this is about a scientist who lives in a well, and it's dark and it's damp down there but what gives him hope during his research, is his lover who lives on the ground, however they have a fraught relationship because he's more interested in his job than in his partner, and so she's getting insecure, and he feels the need to be winched up the well to tell her how much she means to him, he hopes that this will give them a chance to rebuild their relationship so it will be as strong as it was at the beginning, he's sitting in the cell thinking, and theres rats scuttling around him in the darkness chasing each others tails, he's also tossing a coin to find out if she still loves him because it's been ages, he starts to realise that it's much harder to be away from human contact in his well than he'd anticipated, although he'd known it wasn't going to be easy, this is much harder than he'd thought, he realises that just as in his scientific investigations he was merely guessing and solving puzzles and couldn't be assured of his success, it is the same in his relationship with his lover on the ground, and all of the progress science has made doesn't take away his need for wanting to be loved, he starts hallucinating that he's being haunted by his lover, and he feels the need to rush back up to be with other people again, eventually the feelings become so intense and heart wrenching that he can only express them wordlessly | |
| 50 Cent – Candy Shop Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| seriously man, i've got a reading disability so you're the one who's insulting the handicapped here | |
| Green Day – American Idiot Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| is your real name bradley? but you just like to call yourself 'BOOORRRADLEEEEYYYY!!!" as a kind of introduction because it sure as hell looks like that's the case | |
| The Black Eyed Peas – My Humps Lyrics | 18 years ago |
| hey what's this - 'lick out my arse', it's chris martin himself logged on to slag me off, well screw you i wasted 7 big ones (that's right) on your negative pile of shite, when will you stop carping, life's really not that depressing when you're not around bringing me down, it's yellow is it? well that's because i'm pissing in your face | |
| P.O.D. – Abortion Is Murder Lyrics | 18 years ago |
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i don't mean to antagonise you further green day baby but you've made a logical fallacy. you argument would look like 1. anyone who likes p.o.d. is ignorant 2. I happen to despise them 3. Therefore, i'm not ignorant however this could lead to all kinds of bizzare conclusions that may appeal to unstable people 1. slaughtering 29 million people like the christian church did is wrong 2. atheists have killed far more than that 3. therefore atheists aren't wrong, and if anything should do this more often p.o.d.'s problem is biblical exegesis the verse "do not murder" is a sloppy translation of the original hebrew which actually refers to a predatory kind of death which doesn't necessarily refer to murder in the sense of abortion see here:- http://www.tektonics.org/lp/nokilling.html "Polemically abortion opponents have painted abortion as a "predatory" act, and whether they are right is dependent on the identity of the fetus. If a fetus is human, they are right: a life is erased for predatory (that is, personally advantageous) purposes (convenience, for example) barring other circumstances (life of the mother, for example). " Also if you are TRULY open-minded (unlike me) then check out these sites: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v13/i4/abortion.asp where we see that abortions have become a multi-million dollar industry http://www.equip.org/free/DA020-1.htm http://www.equip.org/free/DA020-2.htm http://www.equip.org/free/DA020-3.htm http://www.equip.org/free/DA020-4.htm which is pretty thorough and not exactly 'ignorant' |
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