I used to love this song, I still enjoy the music and melody and her voice, but having recently been saved I have learned that the lyrics are just wrong. She has confused John the Baptist with John the Revelator, and I very much doubt that there was enough thought put into it that she was speculating that John the Revelator might suffer the same fate as John the Baptist, as was suggested above.
From her lyrics:
read the revelations, you'll find him there
third chapter, fourth verse where he said unto me:
"there's a beast that rose out of the sea,"
The problem with this is that the quote comes from Revelations Chapter 13, verse 1 - not chapter 3, verse 4. This is so blatantly wrong it makes me think she had little care for correctly referring to the scripture. James tells us that the teachers are held to a higher standard and judged more strictly, Neko should be careful because she inadvertantly is teaching (incorrectly) with her lyrics.
I really wish she had been more careful and that I could feel about the song as I did before I learned of the errors.
@icculus0307 ...WOW...it is so incredibly SAD that you are willing (or...more accurately...foolishly EAGER) to alter the original, genuine, and innate JOY that this tune once evoked from you simply because it doesn't staunchly adhere to the specifics of your newfound faith...You have now UNASHAMINGLY "JUDGED" the author (the perfectly CLEVER Neko Case) by highlighting a possible reference ERROR (SERIOUSLY?!?... nobody fu*ing gives a sht about the switching of some chapter and verse numbers!!...probably made the song "flow" better anyways) and by denouncing the integrity of her words....But, I guess that's pretty much where the religion and the Bible almost ALWAYS...
@icculus0307 ...WOW...it is so incredibly SAD that you are willing (or...more accurately...foolishly EAGER) to alter the original, genuine, and innate JOY that this tune once evoked from you simply because it doesn't staunchly adhere to the specifics of your newfound faith...You have now UNASHAMINGLY "JUDGED" the author (the perfectly CLEVER Neko Case) by highlighting a possible reference ERROR (SERIOUSLY?!?... nobody fu*ing gives a sht about the switching of some chapter and verse numbers!!...probably made the song "flow" better anyways) and by denouncing the integrity of her words....But, I guess that's pretty much where the religion and the Bible almost ALWAYS end up taking you people...back to the JUDGEMENT OF OTHERS...Like I said, SAD
@icculus0307 Hi RIGHT2armbears, thank you for commenting! The error is not a possible error, it is a very clear lyrical error: The song refers to the beast that rose out of the sea as found in Revelation 3:4, but that verse actually says "Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. " It is in Revelation 13:1 where we find the beast, it says "The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the...
@icculus0307 Hi RIGHT2armbears, thank you for commenting! The error is not a possible error, it is a very clear lyrical error: The song refers to the beast that rose out of the sea as found in Revelation 3:4, but that verse actually says "Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. " It is in Revelation 13:1 where we find the beast, it says "The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name." Please keep your perspective, this is the SongMeanings site, where it is perfectly appropriate to point out things about the song lyrics that might be problematic. Indeed, It is a beautifully melodic song and I love the guitar work Neko does and I love how the song flows, but lyrically (again, this is SongMeanings.com) the entire song is about specific biblical figures and events, and some of those are just plain incorrect. Please look at your post and ask yourself if you are judging me for bringing up a problem with the SongMeaning (Yes, this is SongMeanings.com). Also, while you are at it, I hope you realize that you also managed to judge the entire Christian religion for being... (drumroll) judgemental.
@icculus0307 the song is about two individuals. She mentions both in the intro. It presumes a familiarity with these biblical figures and is dense with allusions to the text. I don't think Case is confused here. I am guessing the song is based on a traditional spiritual.
@icculus0307 the song is about two individuals. She mentions both in the intro. It presumes a familiarity with these biblical figures and is dense with allusions to the text. I don't think Case is confused here. I am guessing the song is based on a traditional spiritual.
@icculus0307 Matt there are still problems, for example the Pharisee who came at night to meet him was Nicodemus and he actually came to meet Jesus, not John. Look at John chapter 3, right in the first verse it clears this up.
@icculus0307 Matt there are still problems, for example the Pharisee who came at night to meet him was Nicodemus and he actually came to meet Jesus, not John. Look at John chapter 3, right in the first verse it clears this up.
I don't agree that the lyrics are talking about two different Johns at all, but even if there were two different Johns in the story and we agree that the song is dense with allusion it still doesn't answer that Revelation 3:4 has nothing to do with anything going on in the song.
I don't agree that the lyrics are talking about two different Johns at all, but even if there were two different Johns in the story and we agree that the song is dense with allusion it still doesn't answer that Revelation 3:4 has nothing to do with anything going on in the song.
Sadly my guess is Revelation 13:1 (where we do see the beast described in the song) doesn't have the same rhythmic quality and so she changed the reference. But it makes me wonder if maybe she was referencing a different book's chapter 3 verse 4 (I looked at John 3:4 and it doesn't seem to apply). I am interested to know if you feel otherwise on that one.
If the song gets people interested in what happened in the Bible and leads them to discover Jesus than that is awesome, but the text contains errors and wrong references which can also lead people to confusion, and well God was pretty clear about getting the details right.
I used to love this song, I still enjoy the music and melody and her voice, but having recently been saved I have learned that the lyrics are just wrong. She has confused John the Baptist with John the Revelator, and I very much doubt that there was enough thought put into it that she was speculating that John the Revelator might suffer the same fate as John the Baptist, as was suggested above.
From her lyrics:
read the revelations, you'll find him there third chapter, fourth verse where he said unto me: "there's a beast that rose out of the sea,"
The problem with this is that the quote comes from Revelations Chapter 13, verse 1 - not chapter 3, verse 4. This is so blatantly wrong it makes me think she had little care for correctly referring to the scripture. James tells us that the teachers are held to a higher standard and judged more strictly, Neko should be careful because she inadvertantly is teaching (incorrectly) with her lyrics.
I really wish she had been more careful and that I could feel about the song as I did before I learned of the errors.
@icculus0307 ...WOW...it is so incredibly SAD that you are willing (or...more accurately...foolishly EAGER) to alter the original, genuine, and innate JOY that this tune once evoked from you simply because it doesn't staunchly adhere to the specifics of your newfound faith...You have now UNASHAMINGLY "JUDGED" the author (the perfectly CLEVER Neko Case) by highlighting a possible reference ERROR (SERIOUSLY?!?... nobody fu*ing gives a sht about the switching of some chapter and verse numbers!!...probably made the song "flow" better anyways) and by denouncing the integrity of her words....But, I guess that's pretty much where the religion and the Bible almost ALWAYS...
@icculus0307 ...WOW...it is so incredibly SAD that you are willing (or...more accurately...foolishly EAGER) to alter the original, genuine, and innate JOY that this tune once evoked from you simply because it doesn't staunchly adhere to the specifics of your newfound faith...You have now UNASHAMINGLY "JUDGED" the author (the perfectly CLEVER Neko Case) by highlighting a possible reference ERROR (SERIOUSLY?!?... nobody fu*ing gives a sht about the switching of some chapter and verse numbers!!...probably made the song "flow" better anyways) and by denouncing the integrity of her words....But, I guess that's pretty much where the religion and the Bible almost ALWAYS end up taking you people...back to the JUDGEMENT OF OTHERS...Like I said, SAD
@icculus0307 Hi RIGHT2armbears, thank you for commenting! The error is not a possible error, it is a very clear lyrical error: The song refers to the beast that rose out of the sea as found in Revelation 3:4, but that verse actually says "Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. " It is in Revelation 13:1 where we find the beast, it says "The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the...
@icculus0307 Hi RIGHT2armbears, thank you for commenting! The error is not a possible error, it is a very clear lyrical error: The song refers to the beast that rose out of the sea as found in Revelation 3:4, but that verse actually says "Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. " It is in Revelation 13:1 where we find the beast, it says "The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name." Please keep your perspective, this is the SongMeanings site, where it is perfectly appropriate to point out things about the song lyrics that might be problematic. Indeed, It is a beautifully melodic song and I love the guitar work Neko does and I love how the song flows, but lyrically (again, this is SongMeanings.com) the entire song is about specific biblical figures and events, and some of those are just plain incorrect. Please look at your post and ask yourself if you are judging me for bringing up a problem with the SongMeaning (Yes, this is SongMeanings.com). Also, while you are at it, I hope you realize that you also managed to judge the entire Christian religion for being... (drumroll) judgemental.
@icculus0307 the song is about two individuals. She mentions both in the intro. It presumes a familiarity with these biblical figures and is dense with allusions to the text. I don't think Case is confused here. I am guessing the song is based on a traditional spiritual.
@icculus0307 the song is about two individuals. She mentions both in the intro. It presumes a familiarity with these biblical figures and is dense with allusions to the text. I don't think Case is confused here. I am guessing the song is based on a traditional spiritual.
@icculus0307 Matt there are still problems, for example the Pharisee who came at night to meet him was Nicodemus and he actually came to meet Jesus, not John. Look at John chapter 3, right in the first verse it clears this up.
@icculus0307 Matt there are still problems, for example the Pharisee who came at night to meet him was Nicodemus and he actually came to meet Jesus, not John. Look at John chapter 3, right in the first verse it clears this up.
I don't agree that the lyrics are talking about two different Johns at all, but even if there were two different Johns in the story and we agree that the song is dense with allusion it still doesn't answer that Revelation 3:4 has nothing to do with anything going on in the song.
I don't agree that the lyrics are talking about two different Johns at all, but even if there were two different Johns in the story and we agree that the song is dense with allusion it still doesn't answer that Revelation 3:4 has nothing to do with anything going on in the song.
Sadly my guess is Revelation 13:1 (where we do see the beast described in the song) doesn't have the same rhythmic quality and so she changed the reference. But it makes me wonder if maybe she was referencing a different book's chapter 3 verse 4 (I looked at John 3:4 and it doesn't seem to apply). I am interested to know if you feel otherwise on that one.
If the song gets people interested in what happened in the Bible and leads them to discover Jesus than that is awesome, but the text contains errors and wrong references which can also lead people to confusion, and well God was pretty clear about getting the details right.