This song is just incredible, lyrically and musically. I especially love the chorus instrumentals... just beautiful.
The comments here have really improved my understanding of this song, but there is still a question that I cannot seem to answer for myself: What is the significance of the first 5 digits of Pi in this song? (3.1415) I can't seem to fit that in properly with the rest of the piece, and it's really bugging me. If anyone reading this has some ideas, I would be delighted to hear them!
Thanks to everyone here for always making my music listening a deeper and more complete experience. Cheers!
"What is the significance of the first 5 digits of Pi in this song? (3.1415) I can't seem to fit that in properly with the rest of the piece, and it's really bugging me. If anyone reading this has some ideas, I would be delighted to hear them!"
"What is the significance of the first 5 digits of Pi in this song? (3.1415) I can't seem to fit that in properly with the rest of the piece, and it's really bugging me. If anyone reading this has some ideas, I would be delighted to hear them!"
I can't say for sure but I hunch is that it's used loosely to illustrate a circle. That is to say that Capa's life has come full circle as he passes into the afterlife and reunites with Taro. Why just the first 5 digits and not 4 or 6, probably just for poetic effect or cadence, essentially just fit well with the rest of the music/rhythm/lyrics.
What a moving and beautiful song. Chorus is incredible.
Since it seems that Taro died first, then Capa next, perhaps the full circle is their full circle ending in their life together in an afterlife of some sort.
Since it seems that Taro died first, then Capa next, perhaps the full circle is their full circle ending in their life together in an afterlife of some sort.
Speaking to NME about this tune,Joe Newman explained: "The song's about that period just before he steps on the landmine. The two seconds before and two seconds after. It's a four-minute song about four seconds." Perhaps there's a connection between the 3:10pm and the 3.14.
Speaking to NME about this tune,Joe Newman explained: "The song's about that period just before he steps on the landmine. The two seconds before and two seconds after. It's a four-minute song about four seconds." Perhaps there's a connection between the 3:10pm and the 3.14.
I am inclined to agree with the "full circle" conclusions others have come to. There's no context to indicate it might be a wedding ring - a camera lens would be perhaps a more likely reference, but I think it's more abstract than that.
I am inclined to agree with the "full circle" conclusions others have come to. There's no context to indicate it might be a wedding ring - a camera lens would be perhaps a more likely reference, but I think it's more abstract than that.
Pi represents the circumference. Gerda Taro died in 1937 and Robert Capa died in 1954, both while performing their jobs as wartime photo journalists. I believe the Pi reference is alluding to their having come “full circle” and meeting up again in the afterlife.
Pi represents the circumference. Gerda Taro died in 1937 and Robert Capa died in 1954, both while performing their jobs as wartime photo journalists. I believe the Pi reference is alluding to their having come “full circle” and meeting up again in the afterlife.
I think that the first 5 digits of pi are a representation of Capa's time on earth, and his time to come. Literally it is the time that Capa died (3:14pm) but looking a little deeper it is interesting because pi is an infinite number. Capa's life has come full circle and now he is left to face the infinite test of time. 3.1415 begins the count to infinity as he moves on after his death, or "fades for home" as it is in the lyrics. The placement of the number and the number itself is very poetic, in that...
I think that the first 5 digits of pi are a representation of Capa's time on earth, and his time to come. Literally it is the time that Capa died (3:14pm) but looking a little deeper it is interesting because pi is an infinite number. Capa's life has come full circle and now he is left to face the infinite test of time. 3.1415 begins the count to infinity as he moves on after his death, or "fades for home" as it is in the lyrics. The placement of the number and the number itself is very poetic, in that it has many meanings.
Given the band's obsession with Ancient Greek maths and geometry, I wouldn't put it past them to be making some reference to Pythagorean spiritual beliefs, particularly:
Given the band's obsession with Ancient Greek maths and geometry, I wouldn't put it past them to be making some reference to Pythagorean spiritual beliefs, particularly:
"The Pythagoreans believed that a release from the "wheel of birth" was possible. ... Pythagoreans distinguished three kinds of lives: Theoretic, Practical and Apolaustic. Pythagoras is said to have used the example of Olympic games to distinguish between these three kind of lives. Pythagoras suggests that the lowest class of people who come to the games are the people who come to buy or sell. The next higher class comprises people who come to participate in the games. And the highest class contains people who simply come to look on. "
In other words, as photographers, documenting and observing the world, they were both living apolaustic lives and destined to break free of the cycle of reincarnation and meet again after death.
@nebulousapathy to shawn 10000, have you ever heard a doctor call a time of death to the hundredth of a second? No. That Pythagorean idea seems to be really well researched and does relate to the band's interests. Makes more sense. This isn't to say however 3:14 (3.14) didn't claim the time of death as well, giving that particular lyric an intended double meaning.
@nebulousapathy to shawn 10000, have you ever heard a doctor call a time of death to the hundredth of a second? No. That Pythagorean idea seems to be really well researched and does relate to the band's interests. Makes more sense. This isn't to say however 3:14 (3.14) didn't claim the time of death as well, giving that particular lyric an intended double meaning.
This song is just incredible, lyrically and musically. I especially love the chorus instrumentals... just beautiful.
The comments here have really improved my understanding of this song, but there is still a question that I cannot seem to answer for myself: What is the significance of the first 5 digits of Pi in this song? (3.1415) I can't seem to fit that in properly with the rest of the piece, and it's really bugging me. If anyone reading this has some ideas, I would be delighted to hear them!
Thanks to everyone here for always making my music listening a deeper and more complete experience. Cheers!
3.1415 refers to Capa’s wedding ring as Pi is the ratio of a circle’s circumference to it’s diameter. :)
3.1415 refers to Capa’s wedding ring as Pi is the ratio of a circle’s circumference to it’s diameter. :)
Ah, I see! Thanks for the insight! :)
Ah, I see! Thanks for the insight! :)
I took it to be the circle of the camera lens. The link between Taro and Capra. (She turned down his proposal, they were never married)
I took it to be the circle of the camera lens. The link between Taro and Capra. (She turned down his proposal, they were never married)
I think that it represents their love; lasting forever like death.
I think that it represents their love; lasting forever like death.
"What is the significance of the first 5 digits of Pi in this song? (3.1415) I can't seem to fit that in properly with the rest of the piece, and it's really bugging me. If anyone reading this has some ideas, I would be delighted to hear them!"
"What is the significance of the first 5 digits of Pi in this song? (3.1415) I can't seem to fit that in properly with the rest of the piece, and it's really bugging me. If anyone reading this has some ideas, I would be delighted to hear them!"
I can't say for sure but I hunch is that it's used loosely to illustrate a circle. That is to say that Capa's life has come full circle as he passes into the afterlife and reunites with Taro. Why just the first 5 digits and not 4 or 6, probably just for poetic effect or cadence, essentially just fit well with the rest of the music/rhythm/lyrics.
What a moving and beautiful song. Chorus is incredible.
Since it seems that Taro died first, then Capa next, perhaps the full circle is their full circle ending in their life together in an afterlife of some sort.
Since it seems that Taro died first, then Capa next, perhaps the full circle is their full circle ending in their life together in an afterlife of some sort.
Speaking to NME about this tune,Joe Newman explained: "The song's about that period just before he steps on the landmine. The two seconds before and two seconds after. It's a four-minute song about four seconds." Perhaps there's a connection between the 3:10pm and the 3.14.
Speaking to NME about this tune,Joe Newman explained: "The song's about that period just before he steps on the landmine. The two seconds before and two seconds after. It's a four-minute song about four seconds." Perhaps there's a connection between the 3:10pm and the 3.14.
I think, since at 3:10 he was awaiting death, perhaps 3:14.15 (a time) is when he died.
I think, since at 3:10 he was awaiting death, perhaps 3:14.15 (a time) is when he died.
I think it is supposed to be a kind of "full circle" type of thing.
I think it is supposed to be a kind of "full circle" type of thing.
I am inclined to agree with the "full circle" conclusions others have come to. There's no context to indicate it might be a wedding ring - a camera lens would be perhaps a more likely reference, but I think it's more abstract than that.
I am inclined to agree with the "full circle" conclusions others have come to. There's no context to indicate it might be a wedding ring - a camera lens would be perhaps a more likely reference, but I think it's more abstract than that.
Pi represents the circumference. Gerda Taro died in 1937 and Robert Capa died in 1954, both while performing their jobs as wartime photo journalists. I believe the Pi reference is alluding to their having come “full circle” and meeting up again in the afterlife.
Pi represents the circumference. Gerda Taro died in 1937 and Robert Capa died in 1954, both while performing their jobs as wartime photo journalists. I believe the Pi reference is alluding to their having come “full circle” and meeting up again in the afterlife.
I think that the first 5 digits of pi are a representation of Capa's time on earth, and his time to come. Literally it is the time that Capa died (3:14pm) but looking a little deeper it is interesting because pi is an infinite number. Capa's life has come full circle and now he is left to face the infinite test of time. 3.1415 begins the count to infinity as he moves on after his death, or "fades for home" as it is in the lyrics. The placement of the number and the number itself is very poetic, in that...
I think that the first 5 digits of pi are a representation of Capa's time on earth, and his time to come. Literally it is the time that Capa died (3:14pm) but looking a little deeper it is interesting because pi is an infinite number. Capa's life has come full circle and now he is left to face the infinite test of time. 3.1415 begins the count to infinity as he moves on after his death, or "fades for home" as it is in the lyrics. The placement of the number and the number itself is very poetic, in that it has many meanings.
Given the band's obsession with Ancient Greek maths and geometry, I wouldn't put it past them to be making some reference to Pythagorean spiritual beliefs, particularly:
Given the band's obsession with Ancient Greek maths and geometry, I wouldn't put it past them to be making some reference to Pythagorean spiritual beliefs, particularly:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoreanism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoreanism
From Wikipedia:
From Wikipedia:
"The Pythagoreans believed that a release from the "wheel of birth" was possible. ... Pythagoreans distinguished three kinds of lives: Theoretic, Practical and Apolaustic. Pythagoras is said to have used the example of Olympic games to distinguish between these three kind of lives. Pythagoras suggests that the lowest class of people who come to the games are the people who come to buy or sell. The next higher class comprises people who come to participate in the games. And the highest class contains people who simply come to look on. "
In other words, as photographers, documenting and observing the world, they were both living apolaustic lives and destined to break free of the cycle of reincarnation and meet again after death.
You guys are funny, since he died in a medical facility a doctor would have had to call it when he died at 3:14.15.Pythagoras, lol
You guys are funny, since he died in a medical facility a doctor would have had to call it when he died at 3:14.15.Pythagoras, lol
@nebulousapathy to shawn 10000, have you ever heard a doctor call a time of death to the hundredth of a second? No. That Pythagorean idea seems to be really well researched and does relate to the band's interests. Makes more sense. This isn't to say however 3:14 (3.14) didn't claim the time of death as well, giving that particular lyric an intended double meaning.
@nebulousapathy to shawn 10000, have you ever heard a doctor call a time of death to the hundredth of a second? No. That Pythagorean idea seems to be really well researched and does relate to the band's interests. Makes more sense. This isn't to say however 3:14 (3.14) didn't claim the time of death as well, giving that particular lyric an intended double meaning.