And your logic sucks, a child's life won't be f*cked up if he/she is brought up to believe in equality and sexuality acceptance.
Unlike someone like you, who I hope very deeply has never met a homosexual. They're just normal people, I sincerely hope they didn't have to put up with your out-of-date, homophobic, illogical, hate-filled rubbish.
Anyway, onto the song. Love it. Powerful songs like this from RA are what makes them by far my favorite artist, bloody love them! haha
And the bit where it goes "what God would damn a heart"... so true. I'm an atheist, and the idea of a God that would hate on his own creations like this is sickening and EVIL. Fortunately society is changing and less and less people everyday believe in this hate-filled God.
Ahh, and finally- @uprisingknight, if you really believe in a different God to that of the one in the Bible then are you really Christian? No. If you want to morph the Christian beliefs into your own, that's fine, but that does logically mean you're not a Christian anymore. Just pointing that out.
i'm christen too, and really, if God doesn't wants gays in heaven then i guess i don't want to go to heaven either.
really, is God going to discrimate against people who love the same sex? really? God going to hate certain people for being a certain way.
AND where exactly in the bible does it say that homosexuality is a sin? find me the exact chapter and exact verse and i'll say i was wrong but i won't discriminate my own people.
seriously man, just because somewhere in the bible it says God hates homos doesn't mean i'm going to stop being...
i'm christen too, and really, if God doesn't wants gays in heaven then i guess i don't want to go to heaven either.
really, is God going to discrimate against people who love the same sex? really? God going to hate certain people for being a certain way.
AND where exactly in the bible does it say that homosexuality is a sin? find me the exact chapter and exact verse and i'll say i was wrong but i won't discriminate my own people.
seriously man, just because somewhere in the bible it says God hates homos doesn't mean i'm going to stop being christen or starting hating gays. the bible is just a book written by people. no one understands God and if people want to believe that God doesn't feel that way about things, then it doesn't mean you stop being christen.
/rant
if God is a homophoic, damn me to hell, i don't care!
@katievanish No, it does, quite literally. Your beliefs will be the same, you'll just be under a different title. I'm talking extremely literally here, and I'm not speaking in an ignorant manor.
@katievanish No, it does, quite literally. Your beliefs will be the same, you'll just be under a different title. I'm talking extremely literally here, and I'm not speaking in an ignorant manor.
Besides, throughout the history of Christianity it's been primarily a damaging thing to our society, so why people are so quick to defend it and themselves for it is beyond me.
Besides, throughout the history of Christianity it's been primarily a damaging thing to our society, so why people are so quick to defend it and themselves for it is beyond me.
@rockandroll21 Doesn't it say something along the lines of "thou shalt not lie w/ another man"? If you've read the Bible you'll be familiar w/ that, if not I'll have to go searching for the exact verse haha.
But yeah, again, to both of you- if you believe something that's not in the Bible, you quite literally are not Christian. You're essentially believing a hybrid of it. If you can't see how then I feel bad for you, no offence intended.
I am not a Christian, but I do respect the faith and have many a friend that is a christian... All open minded Christians at that, seeing as I am homosexual and they are well aware and they were never bothered by it one bit. I've actually discussed with them this topic...
I am not a Christian, but I do respect the faith and have many a friend that is a christian... All open minded Christians at that, seeing as I am homosexual and they are well aware and they were never bothered by it one bit. I've actually discussed with them this topic...
If I were to be quite literal, as you are being, the dictionary definition of "christian" is "a person that believes in Jesus Christ." So, simply because someone does not follow every last thing the bible says does not mean that they are not being christian. In reality, very few churches follow the teachings word for word. Christian churches all have one thing in common... they believe in God and they believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God. Other than that, their beliefs tend to vary seeing as the book itself can be translated and interpreted many ways. You are correct in saying that the book does call it an abomination for a man to lie with another man... but that is merely one interpretation and one translation. The book was originally translated from a different language (Hebrew, I think?) many of the sentences can not translate literally in to the English language, so the translation itself may be a tad off... and even if it is a literal translation, some believe that the line itself is referring to male prostitution rather than homosexuality.
I believe your first comment was correct, the christian religion in general does have a singular, same god... but his traits vary depending on how the book is interpreted. If every person claiming to be a Christian would have to follow every last teaching of the bible, then very very few people would actually be considered Christians (and if they did, I think many today would consider that a form of extremism...) and since there isn't really one, singular interpretation of the bible anyways then it'd make it even more impossible for anyone to truly be considered Christian by your definition.
Personally I'd like to think that maybe there is a god, and if there is then I certainly hope he wouldn't "damn a heart", especially when the act is out of love, not hate... which is another teaching of the bible. "Love thy neighbor", right? Maybe I'm an optimist but I'd like to think it means love thy neighbor even if she or he is a homosexual. There's many good teachings in the bible too!
@elemele Okay, you're a homophobic twat. K?
And your logic sucks, a child's life won't be f*cked up if he/she is brought up to believe in equality and sexuality acceptance.
Unlike someone like you, who I hope very deeply has never met a homosexual. They're just normal people, I sincerely hope they didn't have to put up with your out-of-date, homophobic, illogical, hate-filled rubbish.
Anyway, onto the song. Love it. Powerful songs like this from RA are what makes them by far my favorite artist, bloody love them! haha
And the bit where it goes "what God would damn a heart"... so true. I'm an atheist, and the idea of a God that would hate on his own creations like this is sickening and EVIL. Fortunately society is changing and less and less people everyday believe in this hate-filled God.
Ahh, and finally- @uprisingknight, if you really believe in a different God to that of the one in the Bible then are you really Christian? No. If you want to morph the Christian beliefs into your own, that's fine, but that does logically mean you're not a Christian anymore. Just pointing that out.
/rant
Anyway yeah awesome song, <3 Rise Against!
Nooooooo! Having different beliefs than what is said in the Bible does not mean you're not a Christian! That's incredibly ignorant if you to say that.
Nooooooo! Having different beliefs than what is said in the Bible does not mean you're not a Christian! That's incredibly ignorant if you to say that.
i'm christen too, and really, if God doesn't wants gays in heaven then i guess i don't want to go to heaven either. really, is God going to discrimate against people who love the same sex? really? God going to hate certain people for being a certain way. AND where exactly in the bible does it say that homosexuality is a sin? find me the exact chapter and exact verse and i'll say i was wrong but i won't discriminate my own people. seriously man, just because somewhere in the bible it says God hates homos doesn't mean i'm going to stop being...
i'm christen too, and really, if God doesn't wants gays in heaven then i guess i don't want to go to heaven either. really, is God going to discrimate against people who love the same sex? really? God going to hate certain people for being a certain way. AND where exactly in the bible does it say that homosexuality is a sin? find me the exact chapter and exact verse and i'll say i was wrong but i won't discriminate my own people. seriously man, just because somewhere in the bible it says God hates homos doesn't mean i'm going to stop being christen or starting hating gays. the bible is just a book written by people. no one understands God and if people want to believe that God doesn't feel that way about things, then it doesn't mean you stop being christen. /rant if God is a homophoic, damn me to hell, i don't care!
@katievanish No, it does, quite literally. Your beliefs will be the same, you'll just be under a different title. I'm talking extremely literally here, and I'm not speaking in an ignorant manor.
@katievanish No, it does, quite literally. Your beliefs will be the same, you'll just be under a different title. I'm talking extremely literally here, and I'm not speaking in an ignorant manor.
Besides, throughout the history of Christianity it's been primarily a damaging thing to our society, so why people are so quick to defend it and themselves for it is beyond me.
Besides, throughout the history of Christianity it's been primarily a damaging thing to our society, so why people are so quick to defend it and themselves for it is beyond me.
@rockandroll21 Doesn't it say something along the lines of "thou shalt not lie w/ another man"? If you've read the Bible you'll be familiar w/ that, if not I'll have to go searching for the exact verse haha.
But yeah, again, to both of you- if you believe something that's not in the Bible, you quite literally are not Christian. You're essentially believing a hybrid of it. If you can't see how then I feel bad for you, no offence intended.
I am not a Christian, but I do respect the faith and have many a friend that is a christian... All open minded Christians at that, seeing as I am homosexual and they are well aware and they were never bothered by it one bit. I've actually discussed with them this topic...
I am not a Christian, but I do respect the faith and have many a friend that is a christian... All open minded Christians at that, seeing as I am homosexual and they are well aware and they were never bothered by it one bit. I've actually discussed with them this topic...
If I were to be quite literal, as you are being, the dictionary definition of "christian" is "a person that believes in Jesus Christ." So, simply because someone does not follow every last thing the bible says does not mean that they are not being christian. In reality, very few churches follow the teachings word for word. Christian churches all have one thing in common... they believe in God and they believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God. Other than that, their beliefs tend to vary seeing as the book itself can be translated and interpreted many ways. You are correct in saying that the book does call it an abomination for a man to lie with another man... but that is merely one interpretation and one translation. The book was originally translated from a different language (Hebrew, I think?) many of the sentences can not translate literally in to the English language, so the translation itself may be a tad off... and even if it is a literal translation, some believe that the line itself is referring to male prostitution rather than homosexuality.
I believe your first comment was correct, the christian religion in general does have a singular, same god... but his traits vary depending on how the book is interpreted. If every person claiming to be a Christian would have to follow every last teaching of the bible, then very very few people would actually be considered Christians (and if they did, I think many today would consider that a form of extremism...) and since there isn't really one, singular interpretation of the bible anyways then it'd make it even more impossible for anyone to truly be considered Christian by your definition.
Personally I'd like to think that maybe there is a god, and if there is then I certainly hope he wouldn't "damn a heart", especially when the act is out of love, not hate... which is another teaching of the bible. "Love thy neighbor", right? Maybe I'm an optimist but I'd like to think it means love thy neighbor even if she or he is a homosexual. There's many good teachings in the bible too!