i love how no one comments except to correct everything, which is okay, but seriously, this is song meanings lets delve into some meaning.
i think it's pretty clear that this is about the USA. how we've outgrown the european way of life and really changed the world with out american ideology. we have a dream that is just and good but it is hardly ever realized anymore.
i think the part about foreign excess is from his point of view. since america is the queen of excess, the foreign part is every other person who lives excessively and he shall endure it as he sees it making slaves of people and he hopes to return to an agrarian way of life. he and all people who think similarly.
there's the possibility of regaining honor and prestige for our nation (the faces on murals on church ceilings) and it's also possible that it will continue to deteriorate away and form cracks. and whatever happens it will be due to the people of america, whether they work to redeem it or do nothing.
but it's probable the latter will happen, and in the process people will lose everything. and the people in power will take it all with them to their graves, and they will also take all the good that america once stood for.
unless of course the "wandering mind" of america is run away and it gets its shit together.
the montezuma to tripoli put me on this train of thought, and although its pessimistic, i think the song supports it and its also pretty realistic. thoughts? comments?
I think this song is much more personal in drive than trying to express complicated ideas about American ideology. He questions his own romanticism in hoping to find "selfless and true love" which may in fact be unobtainable.
He notes that by his age his parents had already started having children and worries that maybe he should be getting on with his life, perhaps he cannot wait for his "true love".
Mortality presses upon him and he remembers that once dead everyone is equal, which to me suggests further questioning of his romantic ideas for his own life because in the end...
I think this song is much more personal in drive than trying to express complicated ideas about American ideology. He questions his own romanticism in hoping to find "selfless and true love" which may in fact be unobtainable.
He notes that by his age his parents had already started having children and worries that maybe he should be getting on with his life, perhaps he cannot wait for his "true love".
Mortality presses upon him and he remembers that once dead everyone is equal, which to me suggests further questioning of his romantic ideas for his own life because in the end maybe none of it will matter.
Finally he openly admits his weakness in his fear of death and desire to take what is valuble with him, expressed in the form of gold jewellery, but more than this it is his wife's dowry which he wants to take with him. This returns to the idea that his love for her is not selfless as he had hoped it would be.
As for cracks in ceilings or faces and montezuma to tripoli I have no idea.
spartan3500, your comment is as stupid as it is arrogant (outgrown the european way of life, are you serious??). Please fill me in, who told you about that? You're embarrassing yourself by even thinking that a beautiful song like this is about the USA! (of all things, really!) Let alone that you actually took time to write this down..
You must be out your mind, you poor thing! Pick up your patriotic little sense of reality and get out! Read Butchbaker and especially Mainten's comment, they are spot-on!
spartan3500, your comment is as stupid as it is arrogant (outgrown the european way of life, are you serious??). Please fill me in, who told you about that? You're embarrassing yourself by even thinking that a beautiful song like this is about the USA! (of all things, really!) Let alone that you actually took time to write this down..
You must be out your mind, you poor thing! Pick up your patriotic little sense of reality and get out! Read Butchbaker and especially Mainten's comment, they are spot-on!
Hey, ivoandreas: how about you go and fuck yourself? I was only posing my own interpretation to the song, to which I am certainly entitled, and I apologize for any arrogance, as that was not intended. But you certainly need to watch with your hypocrisy because you totally outdid my "arrogance" and threw in a heaping amount of condescension. Get your head out of your ass. Thank you butcherbaker for responding in a civil manner (you'd expect Europeans like ivoandreas, the creators of "civilization," to behave less like savages). I do see the personal meaning...
Hey, ivoandreas: how about you go and fuck yourself? I was only posing my own interpretation to the song, to which I am certainly entitled, and I apologize for any arrogance, as that was not intended. But you certainly need to watch with your hypocrisy because you totally outdid my "arrogance" and threw in a heaping amount of condescension. Get your head out of your ass. Thank you butcherbaker for responding in a civil manner (you'd expect Europeans like ivoandreas, the creators of "civilization," to behave less like savages). I do see the personal meaning behind this song, but the last line, for which butcherbaker's interpretation doesn't account, is what still gives me the impression that this is about the current status of the USA.
"Montezuma to Tripoli" is a CLEAR allusion to the Marines' Hymn. Say what you want here, but you're wrong ivoandreas. Now that we've established this connection, the rest of the song fits well into a description of the current state of America. How it is in disarray, how it is corrupt and broken, and how it serves the will of corporations and the rich instead of fulfilling the ideas laid out by the Founding Fathers a long time ago. I may have stated the connections in a vague and poorly thought out manner, but I was writing it off the top of my head and was still a little high at the time. I took a little liberty in my expression that "we've outgrown the european way of life" for sure. Whether or not outgrown is the right word choice, people certainly arrived in North America as Europeans, and evolved into Americans over time. The resulting American way of life is the one to which I refer. And if you've taken any courses on modern history you will know that this way of life, an American ideology, is the one that shaped the world most from late 1800's until today. That is what I mean by outgrowing the European way of life."
And Mainten, whose dick you apparently love to suck, also says that my interpretation has merit. So once again, go fuck yourself ivoandreas and learn to accept that there can be multiple valid explanations of the same thing.
i love how no one comments except to correct everything, which is okay, but seriously, this is song meanings lets delve into some meaning.
i think it's pretty clear that this is about the USA. how we've outgrown the european way of life and really changed the world with out american ideology. we have a dream that is just and good but it is hardly ever realized anymore.
i think the part about foreign excess is from his point of view. since america is the queen of excess, the foreign part is every other person who lives excessively and he shall endure it as he sees it making slaves of people and he hopes to return to an agrarian way of life. he and all people who think similarly.
there's the possibility of regaining honor and prestige for our nation (the faces on murals on church ceilings) and it's also possible that it will continue to deteriorate away and form cracks. and whatever happens it will be due to the people of america, whether they work to redeem it or do nothing.
but it's probable the latter will happen, and in the process people will lose everything. and the people in power will take it all with them to their graves, and they will also take all the good that america once stood for.
unless of course the "wandering mind" of america is run away and it gets its shit together.
the montezuma to tripoli put me on this train of thought, and although its pessimistic, i think the song supports it and its also pretty realistic. thoughts? comments?
...changed the world with our american ideology...
...changed the world with our american ideology...
I think this song is much more personal in drive than trying to express complicated ideas about American ideology. He questions his own romanticism in hoping to find "selfless and true love" which may in fact be unobtainable. He notes that by his age his parents had already started having children and worries that maybe he should be getting on with his life, perhaps he cannot wait for his "true love". Mortality presses upon him and he remembers that once dead everyone is equal, which to me suggests further questioning of his romantic ideas for his own life because in the end...
I think this song is much more personal in drive than trying to express complicated ideas about American ideology. He questions his own romanticism in hoping to find "selfless and true love" which may in fact be unobtainable. He notes that by his age his parents had already started having children and worries that maybe he should be getting on with his life, perhaps he cannot wait for his "true love". Mortality presses upon him and he remembers that once dead everyone is equal, which to me suggests further questioning of his romantic ideas for his own life because in the end maybe none of it will matter. Finally he openly admits his weakness in his fear of death and desire to take what is valuble with him, expressed in the form of gold jewellery, but more than this it is his wife's dowry which he wants to take with him. This returns to the idea that his love for her is not selfless as he had hoped it would be.
As for cracks in ceilings or faces and montezuma to tripoli I have no idea.
spartan3500, your comment is as stupid as it is arrogant (outgrown the european way of life, are you serious??). Please fill me in, who told you about that? You're embarrassing yourself by even thinking that a beautiful song like this is about the USA! (of all things, really!) Let alone that you actually took time to write this down.. You must be out your mind, you poor thing! Pick up your patriotic little sense of reality and get out! Read Butchbaker and especially Mainten's comment, they are spot-on!
spartan3500, your comment is as stupid as it is arrogant (outgrown the european way of life, are you serious??). Please fill me in, who told you about that? You're embarrassing yourself by even thinking that a beautiful song like this is about the USA! (of all things, really!) Let alone that you actually took time to write this down.. You must be out your mind, you poor thing! Pick up your patriotic little sense of reality and get out! Read Butchbaker and especially Mainten's comment, they are spot-on!
Hey, ivoandreas: how about you go and fuck yourself? I was only posing my own interpretation to the song, to which I am certainly entitled, and I apologize for any arrogance, as that was not intended. But you certainly need to watch with your hypocrisy because you totally outdid my "arrogance" and threw in a heaping amount of condescension. Get your head out of your ass. Thank you butcherbaker for responding in a civil manner (you'd expect Europeans like ivoandreas, the creators of "civilization," to behave less like savages). I do see the personal meaning...
Hey, ivoandreas: how about you go and fuck yourself? I was only posing my own interpretation to the song, to which I am certainly entitled, and I apologize for any arrogance, as that was not intended. But you certainly need to watch with your hypocrisy because you totally outdid my "arrogance" and threw in a heaping amount of condescension. Get your head out of your ass. Thank you butcherbaker for responding in a civil manner (you'd expect Europeans like ivoandreas, the creators of "civilization," to behave less like savages). I do see the personal meaning behind this song, but the last line, for which butcherbaker's interpretation doesn't account, is what still gives me the impression that this is about the current status of the USA.
"Montezuma to Tripoli" is a CLEAR allusion to the Marines' Hymn. Say what you want here, but you're wrong ivoandreas. Now that we've established this connection, the rest of the song fits well into a description of the current state of America. How it is in disarray, how it is corrupt and broken, and how it serves the will of corporations and the rich instead of fulfilling the ideas laid out by the Founding Fathers a long time ago. I may have stated the connections in a vague and poorly thought out manner, but I was writing it off the top of my head and was still a little high at the time. I took a little liberty in my expression that "we've outgrown the european way of life" for sure. Whether or not outgrown is the right word choice, people certainly arrived in North America as Europeans, and evolved into Americans over time. The resulting American way of life is the one to which I refer. And if you've taken any courses on modern history you will know that this way of life, an American ideology, is the one that shaped the world most from late 1800's until today. That is what I mean by outgrowing the European way of life."
And Mainten, whose dick you apparently love to suck, also says that my interpretation has merit. So once again, go fuck yourself ivoandreas and learn to accept that there can be multiple valid explanations of the same thing.