The set up. A person who talks a lot, but what he talks about has now import or merit ("a lot of nothing to say"). Followed up with the refrain "We'll miss him"... he isn't here anymore, and the sarcasm is immediate, since the line "We'll miss him" immediately follows "He had a lot of nothing to say".
The speaker speaks for some group that the eulogized was a part of. They are sending him off with a "eulogy", but he is not dead. "Don't cry." Don't cry refers to the eulogized and not the group. The group "We" is wishing a the eulogized "you" well. The martyrdom the speaker refers to seems to be how the eulogized must have spoken of and attempted to represent some ideal, the "divinity", but couldn't actually realize or perhaps even follow this ideal (the martyr that fails to see divinity).
Here is the real beef the speaker has with the eulogized. The person seemed persuasive and showed conviction, but in the end, the eulogized only pointed fingers, in essence, blaming and finding fault, but not with himself. Again the refrain of "we'll miss him", maybe they will miss his theatrics, but the sarcasm is fully there. The speaker points out the negative of the eulogized, and follows with "we'll miss him".
Another mention of how the song's target had nothing of merit to say.
This sort of paints the eulogized as being so self-delusional as to be a lunatic, ranting about everything, but not in any meaningful way.
And now for heart of it. This points to the speaker's ultimate disillusionment of the eulogized. The speaker believed what the target had to say, because he was under sway of the eulogized person's charisma. He was a voice above the crowd, he stood out. The speaker was eager to identify, as he had similar feelings. It could even be assumed that the eulogized person tapped into the speaker's and others' feelings and sentiments, focused their dissatisfaction, and intimated that he "would die for me". In other words, this eulogized person, by speaking to and for the crowd, persuaded them that he felt as they did, that he was a part of them, and that he would make sacrifices for them. This, of course, was a lie. A facade is a false face.
The sarcasm is replaced with anger. By saying "don't step out of line" and "don't lie", this has already been done. The eulogized DID step out of line with what he said. He did lie.
You said you would make whatever sacrifice, the sacrifice is your death, and yet you are surprised. The speaker is telling the eulogized that he is dead to the group now, the sacrifice is his role in the group. But the eulogized man is surprised by this. This was not intended, even though he kept claiming that he was a part of them, and that he would "die" for them, make whatever sacrifice. He never intended to make any sacrifice.
Get off the cross. A metaphor that people are tired of hearing the martyr attitude, the woe-is-me. Perhaps here, the nailing of the martyr to the cross was forcing the eulogized person to publicly suffer for the group, some sort of calling out or shaming, and now get the hell out of here. You're dead to us.
The speaker is telling the eulogized that he had promised to sacrifice, that in order to be the true martyr he made himself out to be, he NEEDED to make a sacrifice, so the group made him, perhaps not in the way that he intended, and his use is over to the group.
One could make the case that the speaker is subtly angry at himself and the group as well. He makes mention how he wanted to believe, how the group will miss the eulogized (perhaps missing a martyr, as they need that), and does make mention "for our sins and our lies". Still, he may be saying that last line as a way of throwing it back into the eulogized man's face.
So to recap. The eulogy is for a living man, a man who could hear his own eulogy. A eulogy is supposed to be about the deceased person's merits, but this is about a non-deceased person's ultimate failings. The "goodbye" is the group forcibly sending someone off and away from them.">
Eulogy Meanings & Lyrics Discussion | SongMeanings
The set up. A person who talks a lot, but what he talks about has now import or merit ("a lot of nothing to say"). Followed up with the refrain "We'll miss him"... he isn't here anymore, and the sarcasm is immediate, since the line "We'll miss him" immediately follows "He had a lot of nothing to say".
The speaker speaks for some group that the eulogized was a part of. They are sending him off with a "eulogy", but he is not dead. "Don't cry." Don't cry refers to the eulogized and not the group. The group "We" is wishing a the eulogized "you" well. The martyrdom the speaker refers to seems to be how the eulogized must have spoken of and attempted to represent some ideal, the "divinity", but couldn't actually realize or perhaps even follow this ideal (the martyr that fails to see divinity).
Here is the real beef the speaker has with the eulogized. The person seemed persuasive and showed conviction, but in the end, the eulogized only pointed fingers, in essence, blaming and finding fault, but not with himself. Again the refrain of "we'll miss him", maybe they will miss his theatrics, but the sarcasm is fully there. The speaker points out the negative of the eulogized, and follows with "we'll miss him".
Another mention of how the song's target had nothing of merit to say.
This sort of paints the eulogized as being so self-delusional as to be a lunatic, ranting about everything, but not in any meaningful way.
And now for heart of it. This points to the speaker's ultimate disillusionment of the eulogized. The speaker believed what the target had to say, because he was under sway of the eulogized person's charisma. He was a voice above the crowd, he stood out. The speaker was eager to identify, as he had similar feelings. It could even be assumed that the eulogized person tapped into the speaker's and others' feelings and sentiments, focused their dissatisfaction, and intimated that he "would die for me". In other words, this eulogized person, by speaking to and for the crowd, persuaded them that he felt as they did, that he was a part of them, and that he would make sacrifices for them. This, of course, was a lie. A facade is a false face.
The sarcasm is replaced with anger. By saying "don't step out of line" and "don't lie", this has already been done. The eulogized DID step out of line with what he said. He did lie.
You said you would make whatever sacrifice, the sacrifice is your death, and yet you are surprised. The speaker is telling the eulogized that he is dead to the group now, the sacrifice is his role in the group. But the eulogized man is surprised by this. This was not intended, even though he kept claiming that he was a part of them, and that he would "die" for them, make whatever sacrifice. He never intended to make any sacrifice.
Get off the cross. A metaphor that people are tired of hearing the martyr attitude, the woe-is-me. Perhaps here, the nailing of the martyr to the cross was forcing the eulogized person to publicly suffer for the group, some sort of calling out or shaming, and now get the hell out of here. You're dead to us.
The speaker is telling the eulogized that he had promised to sacrifice, that in order to be the true martyr he made himself out to be, he NEEDED to make a sacrifice, so the group made him, perhaps not in the way that he intended, and his use is over to the group.
One could make the case that the speaker is subtly angry at himself and the group as well. He makes mention how he wanted to believe, how the group will miss the eulogized (perhaps missing a martyr, as they need that), and does make mention "for our sins and our lies". Still, he may be saying that last line as a way of throwing it back into the eulogized man's face.
So to recap. The eulogy is for a living man, a man who could hear his own eulogy. A eulogy is supposed to be about the deceased person's merits, but this is about a non-deceased person's ultimate failings. The "goodbye" is the group forcibly sending someone off and away from them." />
The idea of the martyr is metaphorical. The tone is sarcastic, and at the same time grudgingly true. If you read carefully, no one dies. The miss him is that the recipient of the "Eulogy" has stepped down from his cross or pulpit.
<He had a lot to say
He had a lot of nothing to say
We'll miss him
We'll miss him
We're gonna miss him
We're gonna miss him>
The set up. A person who talks a lot, but what he talks about has now import or merit ("a lot of nothing to say"). Followed up with the refrain "We'll miss him"... he isn't here anymore, and the sarcasm is immediate, since the line "We'll miss him" immediately follows "He had a lot of nothing to say".
<So long
We wish you well
You told us how you weren't afraid to die
Well then, so long
Don't cry.
Or feel too down
Not all martyrs see divinity
But at least you tried>
The speaker speaks for some group that the eulogized was a part of. They are sending him off with a "eulogy", but he is not dead. "Don't cry." Don't cry refers to the eulogized and not the group. The group "We" is wishing a the eulogized "you" well. The martyrdom the speaker refers to seems to be how the eulogized must have spoken of and attempted to represent some ideal, the "divinity", but couldn't actually realize or perhaps even follow this ideal (the martyr that fails to see divinity).
<Standing above the crowd,
He had a voice that was strong and loud
We'll miss him
We'll miss him
Ranting and pointing his finger
At everything but his heart
We'll miss him
We'll miss him
We're gonna miss him
We're gonna miss him>
Here is the real beef the speaker has with the eulogized. The person seemed persuasive and showed conviction, but in the end, the eulogized only pointed fingers, in essence, blaming and finding fault, but not with himself. Again the refrain of "we'll miss him", maybe they will miss his theatrics, but the sarcasm is fully there. The speaker points out the negative of the eulogized, and follows with "we'll miss him".
<No way to recall
What it was that you had said to me,
Like I care at all>
Another mention of how the song's target had nothing of merit to say.
<But it was so loud
You sure could yell
You took a stand on every little thing
And so loud>
This sort of paints the eulogized as being so self-delusional as to be a lunatic, ranting about everything, but not in any meaningful way.
<Standing above the crowd,
He had a voice so strong and loud and I
Swallowed his fa�ade 'cause I'm so
Eager to identify with
Someone above the ground,
Someone who seemed to feel the same,
Someone prepared to lead the way, with
Someone who would die for me>
And now for heart of it. This points to the speaker's ultimate disillusionment of the eulogized. The speaker believed what the target had to say, because he was under sway of the eulogized person's charisma. He was a voice above the crowd, he stood out. The speaker was eager to identify, as he had similar feelings. It could even be assumed that the eulogized person tapped into the speaker's and others' feelings and sentiments, focused their dissatisfaction, and intimated that he "would die for me". In other words, this eulogized person, by speaking to and for the crowd, persuaded them that he felt as they did, that he was a part of them, and that he would make sacrifices for them. This, of course, was a lie. A facade is a false face.
<Will you? Will you now?
Would you die for me?
Don't you fucking lie
Don't you step out of line
Don't you step out of line
Don't you step out of line
Don't you fucking lie>
The sarcasm is replaced with anger. By saying "don't step out of line" and "don't lie", this has already been done. The eulogized DID step out of line with what he said. He did lie.
<You've claimed all this time that you would die for me
Why then are you so surprised when you hear your own eulogy?>
You said you would make whatever sacrifice, the sacrifice is your death, and yet you are surprised. The speaker is telling the eulogized that he is dead to the group now, the sacrifice is his role in the group. But the eulogized man is surprised by this. This was not intended, even though he kept claiming that he was a part of them, and that he would "die" for them, make whatever sacrifice. He never intended to make any sacrifice.
<You had a lot to say
You had a lot of nothing to say
Come down
Get off your fucking cross
We need the fucking space to nail the next fool martyr>
Get off the cross. A metaphor that people are tired of hearing the martyr attitude, the woe-is-me. Perhaps here, the nailing of the martyr to the cross was forcing the eulogized person to publicly suffer for the group, some sort of calling out or shaming, and now get the hell out of here. You're dead to us.
<To ascend you must die
You must be crucified
For our sins and our lies
Goodbye... >
The speaker is telling the eulogized that he had promised to sacrifice, that in order to be the true martyr he made himself out to be, he NEEDED to make a sacrifice, so the group made him, perhaps not in the way that he intended, and his use is over to the group.
One could make the case that the speaker is subtly angry at himself and the group as well. He makes mention how he wanted to believe, how the group will miss the eulogized (perhaps missing a martyr, as they need that), and does make mention "for our sins and our lies". Still, he may be saying that last line as a way of throwing it back into the eulogized man's face.
So to recap. The eulogy is for a living man, a man who could hear his own eulogy. A eulogy is supposed to be about the deceased person's merits, but this is about a non-deceased person's ultimate failings. The "goodbye" is the group forcibly sending someone off and away from them.
Good good, but read between the lines. each of tools songs is meant for the listener to internalize into the mind. aim this goodby at the self you know yourself to be in this moment and transform into a person you thought you could never be. that is EGO DEATH
Good good, but read between the lines. each of tools songs is meant for the listener to internalize into the mind. aim this goodby at the self you know yourself to be in this moment and transform into a person you thought you could never be. that is EGO DEATH
@JohnnyApocalypse Finally something of substance. Thanks for the in-depth analysis. This asshole certainly doesn't sound like a Bernie ;D. I view Trump finally being ostracized by his own people when I listen to this song. Can't wait to see how 2016 ends!
@JohnnyApocalypse Finally something of substance. Thanks for the in-depth analysis. This asshole certainly doesn't sound like a Bernie ;D. I view Trump finally being ostracized by his own people when I listen to this song. Can't wait to see how 2016 ends!
@JohnnyApocalypse very nice "translated" but when i hear that song, it makes me think about my dad that died almost 3 years ago... i have growed older and been more mature now and when i think back we had a good relationship even tho we dident speak alot togehter... i smoked weed everyday and when i came home at night he was always up watching tv... i dident look him in the eye, i only said hello and looked down at our dog for a min just so he couldent look me in the eye when i stepped inside the...
@JohnnyApocalypse very nice "translated" but when i hear that song, it makes me think about my dad that died almost 3 years ago... i have growed older and been more mature now and when i think back we had a good relationship even tho we dident speak alot togehter... i smoked weed everyday and when i came home at night he was always up watching tv... i dident look him in the eye, i only said hello and looked down at our dog for a min just so he couldent look me in the eye when i stepped inside the back door... and then after that i walked straight into my room.. "He had alot to say.. he had alot of nothing to say" he wanted to say alot of things to me but he dident say anything of those things he really wanted to say.. like a real farther- son talk.. telling me not to smoke everyday,.. and telling me that im not aloud to smoke weed inside my room(my room was just next to the living room)... so im pretty sure that he could smell the weed cus i had only a very little window..his mom and dad died very early. when he was about 21 both his parrents was dead so he dident learn much from them about taking care of a kid i guess..but now when i think back he learned me alot of things, but just on his own wierd way, i see him as a "hero" just by guessing what he ment by not saying those "dad" things to me..... he learned me what not to do when i get a kid and some how he learned me what to do and most of all to be fair to all ppl... thank you dad for being the best dad you could be
The idea of the martyr is metaphorical. The tone is sarcastic, and at the same time grudgingly true. If you read carefully, no one dies. The miss him is that the recipient of the "Eulogy" has stepped down from his cross or pulpit.
<He had a lot to say He had a lot of nothing to say We'll miss him We'll miss him We're gonna miss him We're gonna miss him>
The set up. A person who talks a lot, but what he talks about has now import or merit ("a lot of nothing to say"). Followed up with the refrain "We'll miss him"... he isn't here anymore, and the sarcasm is immediate, since the line "We'll miss him" immediately follows "He had a lot of nothing to say".
<So long We wish you well You told us how you weren't afraid to die Well then, so long Don't cry. Or feel too down Not all martyrs see divinity But at least you tried>
The speaker speaks for some group that the eulogized was a part of. They are sending him off with a "eulogy", but he is not dead. "Don't cry." Don't cry refers to the eulogized and not the group. The group "We" is wishing a the eulogized "you" well. The martyrdom the speaker refers to seems to be how the eulogized must have spoken of and attempted to represent some ideal, the "divinity", but couldn't actually realize or perhaps even follow this ideal (the martyr that fails to see divinity).
<Standing above the crowd, He had a voice that was strong and loud We'll miss him We'll miss him Ranting and pointing his finger At everything but his heart We'll miss him We'll miss him We're gonna miss him We're gonna miss him>
Here is the real beef the speaker has with the eulogized. The person seemed persuasive and showed conviction, but in the end, the eulogized only pointed fingers, in essence, blaming and finding fault, but not with himself. Again the refrain of "we'll miss him", maybe they will miss his theatrics, but the sarcasm is fully there. The speaker points out the negative of the eulogized, and follows with "we'll miss him".
<No way to recall What it was that you had said to me, Like I care at all>
Another mention of how the song's target had nothing of merit to say.
<But it was so loud You sure could yell You took a stand on every little thing And so loud>
This sort of paints the eulogized as being so self-delusional as to be a lunatic, ranting about everything, but not in any meaningful way.
<Standing above the crowd, He had a voice so strong and loud and I Swallowed his fa�ade 'cause I'm so Eager to identify with Someone above the ground, Someone who seemed to feel the same, Someone prepared to lead the way, with Someone who would die for me>
And now for heart of it. This points to the speaker's ultimate disillusionment of the eulogized. The speaker believed what the target had to say, because he was under sway of the eulogized person's charisma. He was a voice above the crowd, he stood out. The speaker was eager to identify, as he had similar feelings. It could even be assumed that the eulogized person tapped into the speaker's and others' feelings and sentiments, focused their dissatisfaction, and intimated that he "would die for me". In other words, this eulogized person, by speaking to and for the crowd, persuaded them that he felt as they did, that he was a part of them, and that he would make sacrifices for them. This, of course, was a lie. A facade is a false face.
<Will you? Will you now? Would you die for me? Don't you fucking lie
Don't you step out of line Don't you step out of line Don't you step out of line Don't you fucking lie>
The sarcasm is replaced with anger. By saying "don't step out of line" and "don't lie", this has already been done. The eulogized DID step out of line with what he said. He did lie.
<You've claimed all this time that you would die for me Why then are you so surprised when you hear your own eulogy?>
You said you would make whatever sacrifice, the sacrifice is your death, and yet you are surprised. The speaker is telling the eulogized that he is dead to the group now, the sacrifice is his role in the group. But the eulogized man is surprised by this. This was not intended, even though he kept claiming that he was a part of them, and that he would "die" for them, make whatever sacrifice. He never intended to make any sacrifice.
<You had a lot to say You had a lot of nothing to say
Come down Get off your fucking cross We need the fucking space to nail the next fool martyr>
Get off the cross. A metaphor that people are tired of hearing the martyr attitude, the woe-is-me. Perhaps here, the nailing of the martyr to the cross was forcing the eulogized person to publicly suffer for the group, some sort of calling out or shaming, and now get the hell out of here. You're dead to us.
<To ascend you must die You must be crucified For our sins and our lies Goodbye... >
The speaker is telling the eulogized that he had promised to sacrifice, that in order to be the true martyr he made himself out to be, he NEEDED to make a sacrifice, so the group made him, perhaps not in the way that he intended, and his use is over to the group.
One could make the case that the speaker is subtly angry at himself and the group as well. He makes mention how he wanted to believe, how the group will miss the eulogized (perhaps missing a martyr, as they need that), and does make mention "for our sins and our lies". Still, he may be saying that last line as a way of throwing it back into the eulogized man's face.
So to recap. The eulogy is for a living man, a man who could hear his own eulogy. A eulogy is supposed to be about the deceased person's merits, but this is about a non-deceased person's ultimate failings. The "goodbye" is the group forcibly sending someone off and away from them.
boy i wish i could edit that... oh well, please forgive some of the typos, i wrote it quick and in one chunk (i'll step off my cross now)
boy i wish i could edit that... oh well, please forgive some of the typos, i wrote it quick and in one chunk (i'll step off my cross now)
Screw the edits..you got your interpretation out. And after reading thru 17 pages of them, this is without a doubt the best! Well done. :)
Screw the edits..you got your interpretation out. And after reading thru 17 pages of them, this is without a doubt the best! Well done. :)
Good good, but read between the lines. each of tools songs is meant for the listener to internalize into the mind. aim this goodby at the self you know yourself to be in this moment and transform into a person you thought you could never be. that is EGO DEATH
Good good, but read between the lines. each of tools songs is meant for the listener to internalize into the mind. aim this goodby at the self you know yourself to be in this moment and transform into a person you thought you could never be. that is EGO DEATH
@JohnnyApocalypse Finally something of substance. Thanks for the in-depth analysis. This asshole certainly doesn't sound like a Bernie ;D. I view Trump finally being ostracized by his own people when I listen to this song. Can't wait to see how 2016 ends!
@JohnnyApocalypse Finally something of substance. Thanks for the in-depth analysis. This asshole certainly doesn't sound like a Bernie ;D. I view Trump finally being ostracized by his own people when I listen to this song. Can't wait to see how 2016 ends!
@JohnnyApocalypse very nice "translated" but when i hear that song, it makes me think about my dad that died almost 3 years ago... i have growed older and been more mature now and when i think back we had a good relationship even tho we dident speak alot togehter... i smoked weed everyday and when i came home at night he was always up watching tv... i dident look him in the eye, i only said hello and looked down at our dog for a min just so he couldent look me in the eye when i stepped inside the...
@JohnnyApocalypse very nice "translated" but when i hear that song, it makes me think about my dad that died almost 3 years ago... i have growed older and been more mature now and when i think back we had a good relationship even tho we dident speak alot togehter... i smoked weed everyday and when i came home at night he was always up watching tv... i dident look him in the eye, i only said hello and looked down at our dog for a min just so he couldent look me in the eye when i stepped inside the back door... and then after that i walked straight into my room.. "He had alot to say.. he had alot of nothing to say" he wanted to say alot of things to me but he dident say anything of those things he really wanted to say.. like a real farther- son talk.. telling me not to smoke everyday,.. and telling me that im not aloud to smoke weed inside my room(my room was just next to the living room)... so im pretty sure that he could smell the weed cus i had only a very little window..his mom and dad died very early. when he was about 21 both his parrents was dead so he dident learn much from them about taking care of a kid i guess..but now when i think back he learned me alot of things, but just on his own wierd way, i see him as a "hero" just by guessing what he ment by not saying those "dad" things to me..... he learned me what not to do when i get a kid and some how he learned me what to do and most of all to be fair to all ppl... thank you dad for being the best dad you could be