This song is about a father and his sons relationship. The son hates the old man because the old man has no self respect and so was unable to raise the boy with the perspective of self respect. Due to this, the son has a horrible life and blames his father. The father is proud and wont accept his son outgrowing him, thus the conflict of wills, ultimately leading to the sons self sabotage.
@twilightwrath I would disagree (unless he confirmed it in real life).
The "old man" in the song is himself, not his father ("That old man here is me") and also he's the boy he is singing about ("What I've felt" etc).
Maybe he's singing to his father, but I would lean more to the possibility that he is singing to young version of himself and he cannot forgive himself for obedience or he's singing to society for wanting him to be someone he's not inside.
@twilightwrath I would disagree (unless he confirmed it in real life).
The "old man" in the song is himself, not his father ("That old man here is me") and also he's the boy he is singing about ("What I've felt" etc).
Maybe he's singing to his father, but I would lean more to the possibility that he is singing to young version of himself and he cannot forgive himself for obedience or he's singing to society for wanting him to be someone he's not inside.
I couldn't conclude who is that he cannot forgive. Who has labeled him? His parents (I would doubt that he's talking about his name...) or society? Maybe someone else?
Why not father:
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didn't mentioned him,
parent's have control of their children to certain age, this just doesn't add up with:
"Throughout his life the same
He’s battled constantly
This fight he cannot win" - that would point more to the society.
If you have any thoughts/conclusions please add them, that's just my opinion.
@twilightwrath I think, according to your perspective, in the end, the son gains the courage to stand out and declares "You labeled me -I labeled you, so I dub thee unforgiven."
The son gains enough courage/self respect to project the "unforgiven-ness" back toward his father who first labelled him...
@twilightwrath I think, according to your perspective, in the end, the son gains the courage to stand out and declares "You labeled me -I labeled you, so I dub thee unforgiven."
The son gains enough courage/self respect to project the "unforgiven-ness" back toward his father who first labelled him...
Its quite a sad song actually... because he and his father(or some other being-perhaps even himself) are in a constant conflict labeling one another : /
Its quite a sad song actually... because he and his father(or some other being-perhaps even himself) are in a constant conflict labeling one another : /
This song is about a father and his sons relationship. The son hates the old man because the old man has no self respect and so was unable to raise the boy with the perspective of self respect. Due to this, the son has a horrible life and blames his father. The father is proud and wont accept his son outgrowing him, thus the conflict of wills, ultimately leading to the sons self sabotage.
this is along the lines of what I thought too..
this is along the lines of what I thought too..
That's the relationship James had with his father.
That's the relationship James had with his father.
@twilightwrath I would disagree (unless he confirmed it in real life). The "old man" in the song is himself, not his father ("That old man here is me") and also he's the boy he is singing about ("What I've felt" etc). Maybe he's singing to his father, but I would lean more to the possibility that he is singing to young version of himself and he cannot forgive himself for obedience or he's singing to society for wanting him to be someone he's not inside.
@twilightwrath I would disagree (unless he confirmed it in real life). The "old man" in the song is himself, not his father ("That old man here is me") and also he's the boy he is singing about ("What I've felt" etc). Maybe he's singing to his father, but I would lean more to the possibility that he is singing to young version of himself and he cannot forgive himself for obedience or he's singing to society for wanting him to be someone he's not inside.
I couldn't conclude who is that he cannot forgive. Who has labeled him? His parents (I would doubt that he's talking about his name...) or society? Maybe someone else?
Why not father:
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If you have any thoughts/conclusions please add them, that's just my opinion.
@twilightwrath I think, according to your perspective, in the end, the son gains the courage to stand out and declares "You labeled me -I labeled you, so I dub thee unforgiven." The son gains enough courage/self respect to project the "unforgiven-ness" back toward his father who first labelled him...
@twilightwrath I think, according to your perspective, in the end, the son gains the courage to stand out and declares "You labeled me -I labeled you, so I dub thee unforgiven." The son gains enough courage/self respect to project the "unforgiven-ness" back toward his father who first labelled him...
Its quite a sad song actually... because he and his father(or some other being-perhaps even himself) are in a constant conflict labeling one another : /
Its quite a sad song actually... because he and his father(or some other being-perhaps even himself) are in a constant conflict labeling one another : /