Uhh, as another side note, I'm pretty sure that the Mars Volta website says to check wikipedia, so this entire discussion can be completely ignored. As for the song, people can have personal meanings if they really want to, but the only people that will ever completely and utterly understand the lyrics to any song the way they are intended to be understood are the writers themselves. Unless I hear a description from either Cedric himself, or someone who works with the band and knows what they're talking about, then I'm not very prone to care. This website shouldn't be used to argue about what something means when it means an entirely different thing to each person. As for the discussion of the other albums, it should already be a common known fact to any TRUE follower of The Mars Volta that Bedlam in Goliath, Frances the Mute, and De-loused in the Comatorium are all concept albums and do have very specific meanings, meanings that are simply clouded by the genius metaphors that Cedric employs. Amputechture is the first (and likely only) non-concept full-length album that The Mars Volta has or ever will make. To discuss the exact meaning of a song that everyone can perceive differently is a waste of time. On the other hand, discussing the meaning of songs like Goliath, Metatron, Roulette Dares (The Haunt Of), Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt, and such, is something worth doing , but only if you actually have a clue what you're talking about, and not making random guesses based on what a song means to you. That's not to say you shouldn't post what a song means to you, because doing so is a good way to express opinions and possibly open up a new understanding for someone else. The problem is when people attempt to disprove and opinion. "This is true. This is false. This is that way. This is not that way." Those arguments are a complete waste of time unless something really is that way, or something really is false.
That said, everyone can hopefully shut up unless they've got something productive to the discussion.
BTW, Johnny Goodness, I highly doubt you've ever even listened to Frances the Mute, or any other Mars Volta album in it's entirety. In other words, you're a fag.
@eyevan.vega You are the shovel burying the real meaning of the song. It is clear. Mecca - ampu- techture is a critique to the islamic power schemes. Every single sentence tells that.
The approach to intertextuality, something you clearly know NOTHING about, being blinded by your excessive deviation and political correctness, does not rely on reading minds of writers. It is a matter of knowing the ideas, mannerisms and words of the era the art is inserted.
There is nothing more dishonest than wasting hundreds of words in text that says NOTHING, such as yours. Enough said.
@eyevan.vega You are the shovel burying the real meaning of the song. It is clear. Mecca - ampu- techture is a critique to the islamic power schemes. Every single sentence tells that.
The approach to intertextuality, something you clearly know NOTHING about, being blinded by your excessive deviation and political correctness, does not rely on reading minds of writers. It is a matter of knowing the ideas, mannerisms and words of the era the art is inserted.
There is nothing more dishonest than wasting hundreds of words in text that says NOTHING, such as yours. Enough said.
Uhh, as another side note, I'm pretty sure that the Mars Volta website says to check wikipedia, so this entire discussion can be completely ignored. As for the song, people can have personal meanings if they really want to, but the only people that will ever completely and utterly understand the lyrics to any song the way they are intended to be understood are the writers themselves. Unless I hear a description from either Cedric himself, or someone who works with the band and knows what they're talking about, then I'm not very prone to care. This website shouldn't be used to argue about what something means when it means an entirely different thing to each person. As for the discussion of the other albums, it should already be a common known fact to any TRUE follower of The Mars Volta that Bedlam in Goliath, Frances the Mute, and De-loused in the Comatorium are all concept albums and do have very specific meanings, meanings that are simply clouded by the genius metaphors that Cedric employs. Amputechture is the first (and likely only) non-concept full-length album that The Mars Volta has or ever will make. To discuss the exact meaning of a song that everyone can perceive differently is a waste of time. On the other hand, discussing the meaning of songs like Goliath, Metatron, Roulette Dares (The Haunt Of), Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt, and such, is something worth doing , but only if you actually have a clue what you're talking about, and not making random guesses based on what a song means to you. That's not to say you shouldn't post what a song means to you, because doing so is a good way to express opinions and possibly open up a new understanding for someone else. The problem is when people attempt to disprove and opinion. "This is true. This is false. This is that way. This is not that way." Those arguments are a complete waste of time unless something really is that way, or something really is false. That said, everyone can hopefully shut up unless they've got something productive to the discussion.
BTW, Johnny Goodness, I highly doubt you've ever even listened to Frances the Mute, or any other Mars Volta album in it's entirety. In other words, you're a fag.
Well said, eyevan.vega. Thank you.
Well said, eyevan.vega. Thank you.
@eyevan.vega You are the shovel burying the real meaning of the song. It is clear. Mecca - ampu- techture is a critique to the islamic power schemes. Every single sentence tells that. The approach to intertextuality, something you clearly know NOTHING about, being blinded by your excessive deviation and political correctness, does not rely on reading minds of writers. It is a matter of knowing the ideas, mannerisms and words of the era the art is inserted. There is nothing more dishonest than wasting hundreds of words in text that says NOTHING, such as yours. Enough said.
@eyevan.vega You are the shovel burying the real meaning of the song. It is clear. Mecca - ampu- techture is a critique to the islamic power schemes. Every single sentence tells that. The approach to intertextuality, something you clearly know NOTHING about, being blinded by your excessive deviation and political correctness, does not rely on reading minds of writers. It is a matter of knowing the ideas, mannerisms and words of the era the art is inserted. There is nothing more dishonest than wasting hundreds of words in text that says NOTHING, such as yours. Enough said.