Secondly: The lyrics are about 50% bullshit. I'm so sick of people lumping every American Indian tribe together and labelling them "The Noble Red Man" who was happy and free and clean and industrious till we fucked them over, like a real life version of Disney's Pocahontas or something..
Fact is, we did fuck the Indians. Some of them were decent, industrious tribes. A lot of them, including the Apaches, Mescaleros, Blackfeet, etc. were monstrously brutal savages who practiced torture and rape on their prisoners, valued their men by how many scalps he'd taken, and had been massacring the women and children of any OTHER INDIAN tribe nearby for many years before we got there.
Just like different European cultures, there's different Indian cultures. Some of them were Klingons and literally spent their days raiding and massacring anybody who came close.
Most of the tribes didn't deserve the two-timing crap they got from us. But at least a few of the ones who got ground out of existence by the US Army were the ones who built their entire tribe on war and murder and had been killing their neighbors for a long time already.
Go read the reports of somebody who actually saw what things were like instead of some shithead bleeding-heart "I'm embarassed to be white" cultural anthropologist who wouldn't know a real Indian if he fell over one.
@Bullzeye but its true, white men come from Europe to slave and steal the gold and other jewls from all America countries, I mean, the same thing was on south america. Many tribes as Aztecas, Incas, Mayas lost their identity because of europeans.
And it's true, many of them were savages, but was their culture. White men didn`t have to intervene with this.
@Bullzeye but its true, white men come from Europe to slave and steal the gold and other jewls from all America countries, I mean, the same thing was on south america. Many tribes as Aztecas, Incas, Mayas lost their identity because of europeans.
And it's true, many of them were savages, but was their culture. White men didn`t have to intervene with this.
@Bullzeye The point of your rant seems to be, The Tribes that attacked other tribes deserved to be wiped out by the white man...you might have been a propaganda man in another life; Goebbels Jr.
@Bullzeye The point of your rant seems to be, The Tribes that attacked other tribes deserved to be wiped out by the white man...you might have been a propaganda man in another life; Goebbels Jr.
Did they deserve smallpox? Alcoholism? The Trail Of Tears? Being killed in battle is one thing, disease-borne death-in-life is quite another. As is genocide.
Did they deserve smallpox? Alcoholism? The Trail Of Tears? Being killed in battle is one thing, disease-borne death-in-life is quite another. As is genocide.
Can we agree that the HUMAN race is a virus upon the planet Earth? “Good” and “bad” are relative terms.
Can we agree that the HUMAN race is a virus upon the planet Earth? “Good” and “bad” are relative terms.
@Bullzeye I love this kind of comment a true american fascist !
@Bullzeye I love this kind of comment a true american fascist !
So if I follow your reasoning, any mightier / more advanced civilisation has the right to annihilate another less developped one since "they have some bad guys". In that case, God (assuming he exists) should also erase humanity from planet earth...
So if I follow your reasoning, any mightier / more advanced civilisation has the right to annihilate another less developped one since "they have some bad guys". In that case, God (assuming he exists) should also erase humanity from planet earth...
Next, you forget that what white men did was to conquer territory and "push back" anybody already there. This is not very far from what the Germans did in Europe...
Next, you forget that what white men did was to conquer territory and "push back" anybody already there. This is not very far from what the Germans did in Europe...
Here we are not talking about war between tribes but GENOCIDE. White men came with pistols and rifles where others only have stone and arrows....
First and foremost: This song rocks.
Secondly: The lyrics are about 50% bullshit. I'm so sick of people lumping every American Indian tribe together and labelling them "The Noble Red Man" who was happy and free and clean and industrious till we fucked them over, like a real life version of Disney's Pocahontas or something..
Fact is, we did fuck the Indians. Some of them were decent, industrious tribes. A lot of them, including the Apaches, Mescaleros, Blackfeet, etc. were monstrously brutal savages who practiced torture and rape on their prisoners, valued their men by how many scalps he'd taken, and had been massacring the women and children of any OTHER INDIAN tribe nearby for many years before we got there.
Just like different European cultures, there's different Indian cultures. Some of them were Klingons and literally spent their days raiding and massacring anybody who came close.
Most of the tribes didn't deserve the two-timing crap they got from us. But at least a few of the ones who got ground out of existence by the US Army were the ones who built their entire tribe on war and murder and had been killing their neighbors for a long time already.
Go read the reports of somebody who actually saw what things were like instead of some shithead bleeding-heart "I'm embarassed to be white" cultural anthropologist who wouldn't know a real Indian if he fell over one.
@Bullzeye That's what it really sounds like
@Bullzeye That's what it really sounds like
@Bullzeye good point
@Bullzeye good point
@Bullzeye but its true, white men come from Europe to slave and steal the gold and other jewls from all America countries, I mean, the same thing was on south america. Many tribes as Aztecas, Incas, Mayas lost their identity because of europeans. And it's true, many of them were savages, but was their culture. White men didn`t have to intervene with this.
@Bullzeye but its true, white men come from Europe to slave and steal the gold and other jewls from all America countries, I mean, the same thing was on south america. Many tribes as Aztecas, Incas, Mayas lost their identity because of europeans. And it's true, many of them were savages, but was their culture. White men didn`t have to intervene with this.
@Bullzeye The point of your rant seems to be, The Tribes that attacked other tribes deserved to be wiped out by the white man...you might have been a propaganda man in another life; Goebbels Jr.
@Bullzeye The point of your rant seems to be, The Tribes that attacked other tribes deserved to be wiped out by the white man...you might have been a propaganda man in another life; Goebbels Jr.
Did they deserve smallpox? Alcoholism? The Trail Of Tears? Being killed in battle is one thing, disease-borne death-in-life is quite another. As is genocide.
Did they deserve smallpox? Alcoholism? The Trail Of Tears? Being killed in battle is one thing, disease-borne death-in-life is quite another. As is genocide.
Can we agree that the HUMAN race is a virus upon the planet Earth? “Good” and “bad” are relative terms.
Can we agree that the HUMAN race is a virus upon the planet Earth? “Good” and “bad” are relative terms.
@Bullzeye I love this kind of comment a true american fascist !
@Bullzeye I love this kind of comment a true american fascist !
So if I follow your reasoning, any mightier / more advanced civilisation has the right to annihilate another less developped one since "they have some bad guys". In that case, God (assuming he exists) should also erase humanity from planet earth...
So if I follow your reasoning, any mightier / more advanced civilisation has the right to annihilate another less developped one since "they have some bad guys". In that case, God (assuming he exists) should also erase humanity from planet earth...
Next, you forget that what white men did was to conquer territory and "push back" anybody already there. This is not very far from what the Germans did in Europe...
Next, you forget that what white men did was to conquer territory and "push back" anybody already there. This is not very far from what the Germans did in Europe...
Here we are not talking about war between tribes but GENOCIDE. White men came with pistols and rifles where others only have stone and arrows....
YOU should read more about history of Europe.