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Sorrow Lyrics
Father can you hear me?
How have I let you down? I curse the day that I was born And all the sorrow in this world Let me take you to the hurting ground Where all good men are trampled down Just to settle a bet that could not be won Between a prideful father and his son Will you guide me now, for I can't see A reason for the suffering and this long misery What if every living soul could be upright and strong Well, then I do imagine There will be sorrow Yeah, there will be sorrow And there will be sorrow, no more When all soldiers lay their weapons down Or when all kings and all queens relinquish their crowns Or when the only true messiah rescues us from ourselves It's easy to imagine There will be sorrow Yeah, there will be sorrow And there will be sorrow, no more |
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08-14-2008
But atheists have a delimma too -for them there's really no such thing as "evil" there's only rearrangment of protons, neutrons and electrons (the basic building blocks of the material world) and our psychological/emotional reaction to said rearrangement. So really atheists either have to assert an unfounded ethics, or admit that war, genocide, rape aren't actually "evil" because there's no such thing as good and evil i.e. morality is a farse.
I don't see how either approach is any less problematic than the other. This song initially impressed me as a song dealing with a longing for some sort of transcendence -the referrences to a Messiah saving us from ourselves (the opposite of us saving us) -the utopian aspirations hinted at -a frustrating lack of virtue in humanity.
Interesting thing is, whether or not you take this song as being sung from a theistic or atheistic perspective, it's about belief nonetheless -belief in something better. In his essays Greg Graffin has clearly expressed an unwavering commitment to the philosophical values of the European Enlightenment (hence his insistent, though sometimes outdated, criticisms of religious pretense), but how is BR not being just as "dogmatic" as those they reproach??? BR has a belief system like everyone else, whether or not you call it a "religion" is kinda beside the point.
So I say, what the heck, let's believe...in something. BR does, whether they acknowledge it as a "belief" or not.
01-14-2009
actually no. as an atheist i follow a set of morals. they just aren't handed to me by "god". I think what is evil is a complex issue and there are shades of gray here but basically hurting others without justification is evil. there's actually a lot more to it than that but it's late and i dont feel like typing an entire book's worth of philosophy tonight.
07-06-2009
So, yes Bad Religion subscribes to a certain beliefs, a "religion" in a sense. But it's a "bad" one because it goes against Christianity and other popular religions.
I agree with proman though, that most athiests would not call morality a "farce." In fact, athiests I've talked to believe that people should be accountable for their actions.. a lot of athiests are essentially humanists. They believe that God isn't going to get us out of this mess, that people have to be compassionate and make good descions during their time on Earth. I think that's what this song is about. Humans cause much of their own pain and suffering, and they are the only ones who can do anything to try to put an end to it. We can't blame God for our problems, and we can't expect him to get us out of them..
07-06-2009
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08-14-2008
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10-24-2008
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10-24-2008
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10-26-2008
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01-14-2009
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04-17-2009
Well, it’s the story of Job from the Old Testament. Job was the most righteous man in the world. The devil said to God “these people are basically bad” and god said “Well no.”
The devil said “Give me one example” and god said “Look at Job, he’s a righteous man.”
The devil said that he could corrupt him like any man, and they made a wager. And that was god’s way of rewarding the one righteous man on the planet. That was god turning his back on the one man who was good and righteous. That’s not god, that’s religion.
That’s an example of how detestable religion is. What is the lesson there?
No matter how good you are, god will turn his back on you? This is the basis for Judaeo-Christian religion? Is it any surprise the world is so screwed up.
They say that the story of the Job is the saddest story ever told, so it seemed like the best archetypal story to start a song called “Sorrow”
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06-18-2009
"all soldiers lay their weapons down
Or when all kings and all queens relinquish their crowns
Or when the only true messiah rescues us from ourselves"
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