Sublime – Same In The End

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  General Comment:On second thought this song is most likely about equality.
  
  The first part could relate to blacks giving up their seat on the bus
  
  And he's saying he's not a fighter unless you provoke him
  
  He won't shut up until he dies
  
  And you might have tricks up your sleeve, but so does he.
  
  A hint to show we are all equal and going to go to the same place when we die

  Flag JamzXIVon October 15, 2011   Link

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    fuck this song is confusing..

    Flag JamzXIVon October 15, 2011  

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    lol i wasn't bashing on you just so you know, you beat me..

    Flag JamzXIVon October 15, 2011  

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    so are some men

    Flag HairyPalmJoeon October 15, 2011  

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    Hmmmmmmm...you would know :)

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  General Comment:You're just giving me reasons to justify yourself.
  
  The point is I'm trying to say that only you can be responsible for who you are.
  
  You can't blame it on nature. Because nothing is natural anymore. The only nurturing aspect of a female is because she has kids. But I'm not talking about a combination of natural body parts and a mind to go with it. I'm talking about decisions we make. Which is what this song is about. Judging. I sort of changed my interpretation because I misinterpreted the opening of the song. Just like you misinterpreted my interpretation.
  
  btw I've taken a course on sociology, and to tell you the truth Boy and Girls are different because theyre treated differently at a young age, causing them to believe whatever bullshit they've been told.
  
  And I'm not saying this song is about ALL women too. Just the bitches. Because you know there are some out there, its inevitable. But to say we are different based on nature is only plausible because women have children. If men are "protective" by nature is that not a form of love? Because nurturing is. Or do you just see the world one fucking way?

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    Sorry, but there are differences in our natures that have nothing to do with environment. You entire argument is therefore nullified by your refusal to accept that as fact. There are bitches and there are bastards...there are jerks and users and cons (etc) in every gender; religion; lack of religion; ethic group; socio-economic group, etc. I've had more than one course on sociology. Sociology deals with environomental aspects of humans, not those that are innate. I have children...both raised by the same parents with little difference in upbringing, yet they are like night and day. Enviromental factors alone does not explain the differences. That is just an example. And although we are each responsible for our actions, what we WANT from our actions (the end result) can often be very different based on not just enviromental factors.

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    Lol well that's probably true. You have more exp. so who am I to say,
    
    But I don't think the singer sees it that way but thanks for the insight I guess..
    
    And yeah guys may leave just for the sex but what if the girls all over the guy? And thats how I saw this from Bradleys point of view because hes a star, he doesn't need to go out and get it..
    
    And yes I did slight them but that's just because I'm bitter atm but I'll deal,
    Women really aren't that bad..
    
    
    
    
    
    Just some. :D

    Flag JamzXIVon October 15, 2011  

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    How is my argument nullified? We interact with our environments don't we? And if we interact they're going to affect us, so you can't just act like it doesn't exist.
    
    I posted this up there but this is what I'm saying:
    
    Deep down we all want to be accepted and loved.
    
    Everything else just topples on top of that.
    
    I'm talking about foundations here, you're talking about the first floor.
    
    Which means I'm not looking at our genders but basic needs, if you can't agree that every human wants to be accepted and loved then idk.
    
    Now how we express that is depended on our nature.
    
    But you jumped right to the natural part..
    
    I never justified guys being dogs..
    I was justifying what the singer was trying to express and why he is justifying the way he acts.
    
    It's all a cycle

    Flag JamzXIVon October 15, 2011  

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    I'm sticking with my bottom line... men who jump into bed with females almost always want one thing...just the sex. The vast majority of women who leave bars with men (in example) are hoping in the back of the their minds that the one night stand will NOT be a one night stand. And that has to do with NATURE more than environmental factors. That's ALL I was saying. And while we're on the topic (since you slighted women)...it takes both of us to make a baby, but until you can bring one to term (bring one to life outside of the womb), I have one up on you ;) Ah....life ain't fair now is it :)
    I am woman hear me roar. (That's me gloating:)

    Flag HairyPalmJoeon October 15, 2011  

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    You didn't put one over on me :D Not from the first word you typed :D Some of us just know others a little too well :D And if she's all over you, she may very well want sex, but she probably wants it to lead to a relationship. Consider that at 3 AM when many men sneak out :D

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  General Comment:The first part is him talking about guys "giving up" sex, because most guys are retarded, especially when a women wants to have sex, most will just do it. Which is why he mentions his paps being a rolling stone, cuz his dad was just like that.
  "They give it up and never ask why"
  
  The next part is saying how its not fucking science. Guys will have sex because its free, and we like girls for their assets. But Bradley's saying he himself doesn't give it up, because he knows women use men. So he "flips its over like a steaming freight train" and gives them what their asking for. "It ain't hard to ascertain" hence "understand."
  
  "You only see what you want to believe", which is true for everyone. whatever you believe is whatever you will find, because you're looking for it. And Brad's knows the girls are "lining up with tricks up their sleeves", but that doesn't mean he cant hang with them. They just better pray he's not in an "itchy" mood and "flip it over like a steaming freight train". And he won't ever shut up until hes dead.
  
  "Back it up y'all it ain't me" but he;s saying if he does flip the train and make you cry, it "ain't him" just like these girls hes describing in the song justify themselves. So thats all he's doing, is using you like you use others, and then going out for some KFC, and if you got a problem with it then him and Daddy are gonna have a big fight. Because who else are they going to run to?
  
  The next part he explains how he's been shit, and most girls call guys asshole so, "I only told you what you what you want me to be." aka "you had it coming"
  
  Of course someone reading this explanation could be in denial and say "you're fucking crazy." so Bradley says "fuck it I go insane and back" since most guys fail to see what girls are really after. and its obvious considering no one has explained this.. only a guy could interpret this song because its meant for us. not the bitches. Did Bradley ever date anyone? Nah. Because he knew.. this isn't Hitlers Master Plan, its so fucking simple yet so many miss it. But if he does make you cry, the girl might interpret that as "i must like him" aka "i'd sleep with him" aka "If I make you cry I might be your Daddy at the end of the night, take a load from my big gun"
  
  "You only see what you want to believe." and he;ll make you think all of these things, but in reality hes the ones with the tricks up his sleeve. 24/7 she;s the devils best friend. But in the end it makes no difference, God knows your true intentions, and we all go to the same place in the end, whatever it is.
  
  Song is a subliminal ode to how Bradley hates bitches.
  
  Hence SUBLIME.
  
  you know he didnt just shoot heroin and pick up a fucking guitar. He listened to reggae all the time, he knew music was about relation and education.
  
  Brad is saying he's a lot smarter then you think
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

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    LOL...girls use guys for sex. A percentage of one percent maybe. Sounds like you are justifying many guys being dogs (not to insult dogs, of course). If they "use" a guy it's because they are looking for emotional closeness and they often think that will come from having sex. Most females expect/want a return call...the beginning of an emotional relationship. The fact remains that there are innate/physiological differences between males and females. Society (with the birth of feminism which has been a weapon against its glorious self at times) has pushed the notion that males and females are alike and want the same things. It's a lie. And that lie often benefits males. Please don't perpetuate it.

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    Bullshit. We are not the same: there are physiological (can't spell it) differences. I've taken enough classes on the subject in college to entertain me until death! And comparitively speaking, women do not use men for sex. We are nurturers by nature. Men are conquerers by nature. And that's ok, as long as we keep it honest. Have met very few women/girls in my many decades who just wanted sex. Almost all thought they just might get an emotional tie out of the sex. With men, the visual creatures they are and with their testosterone, they were looking for sex. If an emotional tie occurred later they may be interested, but they were in it for the physical. You can bullshit all you want, but there are innate differences between the genders and we are NOT the same.

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    No, we do not control everything. Somethings are genetic...and the female makeup is not the same as the males. The new "bible" on sex was written by men to benefit men. And we feminists saw our daughters fall into the trap...beliving the bullshit men have told them.

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    Where did I say women use guys for sex?
    You took my interpretation completely out of context. I said they USE men. And ended it there. And you proved to me they do use guys for emotional security. Some girls just get wasted because they want to get fucked and they know guys will give it up.
    Hence another way of "having tricks up their sleeves". Women loophole shit all the time, just like you did. They trap guys and use them like fuckin tissues. And then justify themselves like Bradley says. Why do they justify themselves? Because of how they FEEL. Because most of the time a lot of girls are irrational with emotions and use that as a bullshit excuse.
    
    "I was having a bad day"
    
    if a guy said that people would be like..
    what the fuck..
    
    There are innate/psychological differences because we create them as a society.
    Only you are in control of your emotions.
    Only you are in control of your actions.
    
    Not some bullshit excuse that we're different, because like I said..
    
    DEEP down we're all the same. We all want the same things.
    

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    I need to claify because I misspoke...not only men wrote the 'bible' on sex, but the old feminists who want women to be the same as men (instead of being equal to men). I have as little respect for them as I do for men who use women for sex. You want a toy? Buy a Barbie.

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    And feminism is total bullshit too. In the US women have way more rights then men. don;t see girls being janitors, or working in construction, or any electricians, or any carpenters, or any roofers.
    
    Fuck. Where do I see them work?
    Desks.
    
    Nothing really too beneficial to our society or anything. All they do is have kids. So please, don't perpetuate it.

    Flag JamzXIVon October 15, 2011  

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    Well you're not a guy so how the fuck would you know?
    
    Deep down we all want to be accepted and loved.
    
    Everything else just topples on top of that.
    
    I'm talking about foundations here, you're talking about the first floor.
    
    And I'm not "playing you". Your instigating all of this.
    
    And it all came out of you not being able to understand what I was trying to say.
    
    But whatever.

    Flag JamzXIVon October 15, 2011  

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    Now you're just playing me so I won't bite. As for feminism, it's now a joke. It once stood for wanting equality...nothing more and nothing less. It's turned into wanting preferential treatment; the right to kill small growing humans; and the marrying of the same sex which is not a Christian teaching. I left the feminist thought police in the early 90's after marching with them weekly for over a decade. But do NOT try to tell me women are men are the same and want the same things emotionally. I am NOT that dumb.

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    And I don't think you're dumb either. You hold up a good fight and I respect that, but this is just getting out of control because this "conversation" is way off topic from what I intended. I think you're right about men amd women being different from instincts, but you're confusing personal wants and needs in general with personal wants and needs within relationships. Obviously that shits gonna be different!
    
    I'm talking about generality..

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  General Comment:This is Bradly playing around with words. Every line has a meaning of its own and doesn't relate to the song as a whole. It deals with a number of issues: trying to be a man, running from the truth, father problems, STDs, relationship problems, trying to be someone you're not,mass consumerism, etc. In the grand scheme of things, it never really matters because it's all the same in the end and we all end up in the same place.

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  General Comment:all right,,, I will be back here when I have more time...
  First three lines... I'll see what bites..
  In the south, where bibles be thump'n, kids can get down but, is a life unexamined worth living..?
  he rolled away one day and never came home..... Because it is not home and he can't.
  It ain't hard to understand
  This ain't Hitler's master plan
  What it takes to be a man .......You know I lie...
  
  In my mind, in my brain
  I roll it over like a steamin' freight train
  It ain't hard to ascertain.... opposite
  
  You only see what you want to believe
  When you light up in the back with those tricks up your sleeve. illusions/delusions
  
  That don't mean I can't hang
  But the day that I die
  Will be the day that I shut my mouth and put down my guitar. Hitler's plan calls for death,, he saying fuck you
  
  Sunday morning hold church down at the bar... that's my church too! as in fuck hitler's plan
  
  Get down on your knees and start to pray
  Pray my itchy rash will go away... cause If I got it, you do too now.
  
  Back up y'all it ain't me..... don't be hate'n it's memes
  
  Kentucky Fried Chicken is all I see..... I thought you said you can see for miles and miles,,, must have been a lie.... southern arrogant bigot-ness... it's everywhere, the dumbing down of America was working
  
  It's a hellified way to start your day... wake up to that, hell yeah it get's you up
  
  If I make you cry all night.... from these things I say
  Me and daddy gonna have a fist fight... cause he didn't bring you up right
  It ain't personal, it ain't me..... lookup memes for this..
  I only hear what you told me to be.. cause that's all they ever want you to hear
  I'm a backward-ass hillbilly... loves people, city lover
  I'm Dick Butkiss ....contradiction
  You know I lie!!!!
  
  I get mean, I'm a thief in the dark
  I'm a ragin' machine.... straight up
  
  I'm a triple rectified ass son of a bitch... just keep trying to kill me... I'm still here.. I personally believe he was assassinated.... Two birds one stone, get ridd of the person calling out hitlers/banks.. sorry for that lol.. and push kids away from drugs,, very early 90s Reagan shit..
  
  Rec-tite(tm) on my ass and it makes me itch... please fill me in here or google it.
  I can see for miles and miles and miles, he knew what was comming
  
  My broken heart makes me smile. me too, kinda sick... I won't go there..later
  
  In my mind, in my brain
  I go back and go completely insane... Living in the present is the only thing stopping me from ......
  
  It ain't personal, it ain't me.... memes again, before memes was a word.
  
  If I make you cry I might
  Be your daddy at the end of the night... yep
  
  Take a load from my big gun... it's music he get's a kick out of double/multipe meanings too
  
  You only see what you want to believe,,,, yep
  
  When you creep from the back
  I got tricks up my sleeve... bring it,, I'm waiting
  
  24/7 the devil's best friend... friend of the devil, Grateful dead... know it
  
  It makes no difference
  It's all the same in the end... yep,, eventually you will be kicking it on the same vibration and you see it's a process that can use many different roads.. or atleast that is how they held it together in the 90's.... fuck that kill kill kill
  
  you know I lie
  
  

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  General Comment:this song is about existentialism. nothing matters.
  "Get down on your knees and start to pray
  Pray my itchy rash will go away
  Back up y'all it ain't me
  Kentucky Fried Chicken is all I see
  It's a hellified way to start your day
  If I make you cry all night
  Me and daddy gonna have a fist fight
  It ain't personal, it ain't me"
  Go to church to pray that a rash will go away... church is rediculous
  dont blame him all he sees is people eating KFC and getting fat
  if i take you away from your daddy thats just life
  "MY BROKEN HEART MAKES ME SMILE"
  Love is pointless and amusing

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  General Comment:Even though BlackLung's comment was years ago, I'd like to point out that Brad's father didn't beat him. In fact, he was pretty close to his dad and was a huge positive influence on Brad's interest in guitar and music.
  
  His parents got divorced and his mother couldn't handle Brad's "craziness" as he got older so he moved in with his dad.
  
  

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  General Comment:The line,
  
  "Get down on your knees and start to pray
  Pray my itchy rash will go away"
  
  is talking about his drug addiction. As such,
  
  "Get down on your knees and start to pray
  Pray (I won't want to keep doing it), (My need to) will go away"

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  General Comment:It may seem simple, but I think the title gives it away. No matter what happens, it's all same in the end.

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  General Comment:Damn man, this song is like +15 seconds more to that solo at the end from being perfect

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