Lyrics for Further as interpreted by Mopnugget

Further Lyrics
At the end of days, at the end of time.
When the Sun burns out will any of this matter.
Who will be there to remember who we were?
Who will be there to know that any of this had meaning for us?
And in retrospect I'll say we've done no wrong.
Who are we to judge what is right and what has purpose for us?
With designs upon ourselves to do no wrong,
running wild unaware of what might come of us.
The Sun was born, so it shall die, so only shadows comfort me.
I know in darkness I will find you giving up inside like me.
Each day shall end as it begins and though you're far away from me
I know in darkness I will find you giving up inside like me
Without a thought I will see everything eternal,
forget that once we were just dust from heavens fire.
As we were forged we shall return, perhaps some day.
I will remember you and wonder who we were.

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Crystaldays
04-09-2002

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To me it means losing someone you really love but realizing you will always be with them and find them somehow when you really need them. That although your time together didn't last together your love for them will. It will always remind me of a special person in my life because it was his favorite song and i hated vnv but like them alot now for this song and many other songs bring me back to the good times me and him had. :cries: hehe hope my explanation made sense :-)

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rynlee83
04-19-2002

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I feel that this song is about a loved one- he knows that in the grand scheme of things their relationship didn't affect anything- they were only mortal, and their relationship did not transcend time & space, but it was still everything to him, and he is slowly giving up on life inside after losing this person. He wonders if they will ever be together again, perhaps in the future, perhaps in another life, and if that happens, he will remember everything that happened from his own life, and wonder who they were together

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Reverend
05-14-2002

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To me, this song is very depressive, but with a bit of hope. It does make me think about death, or losing someone you love, but in time no matter what happens, you'll always end up together in dreams.

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Vehementi-
06-02-2002

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I take it in more of a literal sense, as a view on humanity and civilization. As someone said in another post, If we were to vanish tomorrow, what would we, as humanity, have accomplished?

"And in retrospect I'll say we've done no wrong.
Who are we to judge what is right and what has purpose for us?
With designs upon ourselves to do no wrong,
running wild unaware of what might come of us."

This whole stanza intrigues me. I think he's referring to how we make our laws and morals in an almost circular fashion, such that what the majority of people do, "right or wrong" is good. Therefore we, as a society/civilization, can "do no wrong" because everything we do is right, by default.

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Vega921
06-11-2002

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He realizes everthing is mortal, with the one exception of love. Human civilization and the sun will someday crumble into dust. But as the lyrics say in darkness he will find his love. Giving up hope only comes witht he loss of everything. In darkness they give up hope of returning to the state of happiness being together. Nothing lasts forever.. unless you remember it.

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ScarletFang
09-14-2002

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i can't explain why, but the line 'and in darkness i will find you' gives me an increidble sense of hope...makes me think that no matter how dark things get, there will always be someone who loves and cares enough to find me and bring me out of that darkness...

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Baldowl
10-05-2002

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It seems to me that this song is about two hopeless souls that are destined (doomed?) to be together even though they are, or will be, separated by mortality or circumstance.

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perfektion
10-05-2002

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This song could mean many things. To me it almost seems as if hes trying to explain about the end of the world. "At the end of days the end of time" "who will be there to remember who we were" "the sun was born so it shall die" It seems as if hes singing about after the worlds ending who will be left to know anything. I get a picture of a nuclear war, and the sun dying.

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plumlicorice
10-11-2002

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the lucidity and the sincerity in this song is absolutely transcendent. not many things can make me cry because they're so beautiful but vnv's music is one of them. to me this song embodies a question of what sort of impact we leave when we're gone, as the human race or as individuals. as human beings, we have an instinct to cling to some sense of eternity, some sense of leaving a piece of ourselves behind. but in the end, there really is no answer to "why?" but it could be said that we are MORE than the sum of our parts. as a group, we represent something, a spark, a bit of dynamism and energy that, although it may fade out, is immortal in a way. it's immortal because we are all experiencing it together. no matter how much effort we put into life, all we know for sure is that it ends. but to have an end is enough to answer the questions, almost. the end of life justifies the means... that's what the phrase "who are we to judge what is right and what has purpose for us?" means for me.
this song is so incredible. i just can't say how much it means to me. whatever vnv was attempting with this song (i don't pretend to know), but i think they executed it perfectly.
wow! i sound ungodly pretentious. but... yeah, it's four in the morning and maybe this comment can be attributed to sleep deprivation. hehe

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Nelo_Angelo
03-11-2003

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This song means too me that like...well whats the point of being in love and going too school were all just going too die anyway...

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Nelo_Angelo
03-11-2003

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This song means too me that like...well whats the point of being in love and going too school were all just going too die anyway...

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trimpton
04-04-2003

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This is my favorite vnv nation song because it makes me reflect on the words "I do not fear death, but fear living an inadequete life". I understand everyones meanings but this one is more of a personal one. That Everything I do will have no lasting effect on the earth and the only way I can fill the void is with someone to love, because that is the only thing that can last even in the darkness.

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BeautifulPariah
04-16-2004

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I love this song incredibly. To me, I see him after the end of the world, reflecting on life and all of the people he knew, their effects on him and each other, he's thinking of the essence of it all... Much <3 for VNV Nation, the lyrics are always amazing.

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metzler000
01-17-2005

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I love this song, but it's definitely the darkest that VNV has written. To me, Ronan is contemplating the Universe as many scientists see it, without a God or an afterlife, while looking "Further" into the future to the inevitable demise of life. Indulging this view can only lead to one conclusion...that we as individuals, a species, or a planet are meaningless; that there is no right or wrong, only shape-shifting matter moving around that sometimes forms living things, which while living, are only bound in hopelessness.

The last two lines are "As we were forged we shall return, perhaps some day. I will remember you and wonder who we were." I'm not sure what the official version of the punctuation is, but I think of the song with the following punctuation. "As we were forged we shall return. Perhaps some day I will remember you and wonder who we were." It definitely changes the meaning for the darker, but makes it less contradictive.

Have fun slitting your wrists everyone.

Mark

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_faye_
06-26-2005

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I completely agree with everything ^ Mark just said.

(except i don't recommend slitting any wrists)

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Koiju
12-04-2005

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I'd also agree, this song is definatly THE darkest song ive ever heard, and one of my absolute favourites. It sums up how I feel most of the time perfectly.

I dont believe in any god or afterlife, I only believe what I can rationalise as fact. So to me, as Mark said, there is basicly no point in existance, everything is just one big circle. Everything will end up the way it started, just returning to the great nothingness of eternal space. And its about the feeling I get, of complete hoplessness, and the futility of life. There is a glimmer of hope in it though, with the lines 'I know in darkness, I will find you; Giving up inside like me' which expesses that although I feel like just giving up on all of existance, because ultimatly its pointless, maybe there is somone else out there like me, and we can take comfort in each other...

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Koiju
12-04-2005

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Oh, and I forgot to mention, that im not as depressed as I just sounded, lol, I do see the world that way, but im kinda content with it, and with just enjoying my short stay on this planet as best I can :)

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Asuyuka
04-13-2006

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A very nice cover of Life Force's Further. I do like the violin intro.

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alltat
07-29-2006

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To me this is about the inevitable end of all life, and the futility of everything, but with an interesting twist: "Who are we to judge what is right and what has purpose for us?". Without a God or divine moral there can be no meaning of life, as there is no one and nothing to give it such a meaning, but that also means that there isn't anyone or anything who has the right to say that it's meaningless either. If you don't consider yourself 'worthy' of deciding for yourself what the meaning of life is, then how can you be 'worthy' to say that it has no meaning?

I have no idea if that was what the song was supposed to say, and I'm probably reading a bit much into so few lines, but it does add a bit of hope to the scientific inevitability of the end of everything. That even if there is no meaning and no matter what we do it will be undone and forgotten eventually, at least no one can truthfully say that what we did was for nothing.


Either way, it's an amazing song, and one I never get tired of listening to.

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outerheaven2005
12-25-2006

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Asuyuka.... this isnt a cover song.... Lifeforce COVERED Vnv nation.

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whennitecomesdwn
01-16-2007

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it's hard to explain how i feel about this song... but i almost feel like it's my anthem now. i know it is probably not the RIGHT interpretation of the song but i find comfort in my interpretation.

for me it's about finding someone, maybe my equal, who sees the darkness in life. they also share my realization that all good things must end. but in this realization we are able to comfort each other in our darkness. we know there is good in each other but we relate in our pessimism. depressing i know but it's still soothing to me.

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hardcorey784
03-11-2007

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Further is a master peace. i think it has a lot to do with transcendentalism. the first thing i thought when i found this song was the transcendentalist ideal that we are all the same thing, and everything in the universe is the same as us so when we die we all become one again. kind of a love song with eternity.

...thats my interpretation. all of vnv's lyrics are amazing, full of emotion and depth. (i cant wait for the new album)

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HorsesMouth
04-04-2007

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VNV NATION "SONG MEANINGS" INSIDE
15 page interview with Ronan Harris.

http://dancemusic.about.com/od/artistshomepages/a/VnVNationInt.htm

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Optimus6128
04-11-2007

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My favorite VNV Nation song. So dark, so feelingful, so.. existential!

It raises both a question about where the mechanism called "humanity" leads us, whether it's positive or not (but who can say what's right or wrong? Nicely put..) and for me there is also a hopefull thought. In these wonderful lyrics:
"The Sun was born, so it shall die.....
...each day shall end as it begins"

It's like it says for me that no matter what, no matter where humanity goes, no matter if there will be destruction, armageddons or the loss of civilization (end of days), maybe that is bound to happen. The sun was born so it shall die. And then the sun rises and dies again. It's like a life cycle, a cycle of our civilization where things must die for a new beginning.

So, it's hopeful that whatever happens in our world, no matter how destructive, it's always a reason for a new beginning and a brighter(?) future. Even though the song is dark and bitter but there is a hidden hope in it I feel. When this song was uploaded in the net you could find it with the title "end of days" which is not the right title. "Further" is how it should be and it fits more the feeling of hope. The title is not focused on "end of days" - destruction/loss, but "further", like saying that things will move further, that's the point, the cycle that brings up a new perhaps better future after each loss..

..is it mixed with a loss of someone you love as several people say? In some of the lyrics in between my favorite parts of the lyrics, it seems like this even though it doesn't make much sense. Anyways,. I like more the existential interpretation even though they could be mixed somehow :P

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PerfectSecret
05-14-2007

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there are so many ways to look at this song. i choose to look at it from a cristian point of view, although i dont know if it was meant to be interpreted this way. they do, however, make refrences to the bible, so it may have been.

"forget that once we were just dust from heavens fire.
As we were forged we shall return, perhaps some day. "

I think that, like the bible says, the world will end.Also, it says that we wont really know about people we once knew: "I will remember you and wonder who we were."

So i think it's talking about a transistion from the world to heaven as the world ends and his realatonship with a person as it changes from a worldly realionship to a heavenly one.

i will post more, pls tell me what ya think!!

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