Lyrics for Sunday Bloody Sunday as interpreted by archmastermind

Sunday Bloody Sunday Lyrics
Yeah
Ummm, hmmm

I can't believe the news today
Oh, I can't close my eyes and make it go away
How long, how long must we sing this song?
How long, how long
Cause tonight
We can be as one tonight

Broken bottles under children's feet
Bodies strewn across the dead end street
But I won't heed the battle call
It puts my back up
Puts my back up against the wall

Sunday, bloody Sunday
Sunday, bloody Sunday
Sunday, bloody Sunday
Sunday, bloody Sunday

And the battle's just begun
There's many lost, but tell me who has won
The trench is dug within our hearts
And mothers, children, brothers, sisters torn apart

Sunday, bloody Sunday
Sunday, bloody Sunday

How long, how long must we sing this song?
How long, how long
Cause tonight
We can be as one
Tonight, tonight

Sunday, bloody Sunday
Sunday, bloody Sunday

Wipe the tears from your eyes
Wipe your tears away
Oh, wipe your tears away
Oh, wipe your tears away
Sunday, bloody Sunday
Oh, wipe your bloodshot eyes
Sunday, bloody Sunday

Sunday, bloody Sunday
Sunday, bloody Sunday
Sunday, bloody Sunday
Sunday, bloody Sunday

And it's true we are immune
When fact is fiction and TV reality
And today the millions cry
We eat and drink while tomorrow they die

(Sunday, bloody Sunday)

The real battle just begun
To claim the victory Jesus won
On

Sunday bloody Sunday, yeah
Sunday bloody Sunday

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IrishJ
01-02-2005

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There was rioting after the fucking shooting you idiot. Why take eamon mccann's word about that and not the rest?

The enquirey will find SOMETHING out, just not maybe what you'll accept. Dont speak after the fact you gimp.

It was an obvious act of aggression on behalf of the British Governemnt by bringing the Paras in for CROWD CONTROL!

And think about this - even if the IRA shot first, which at best is debatable and worst an outright lie, does that warrent the Paratroopers to shoot EVEYRONE in sight? Yeah, okay.

Bring something to a discussion bar your own partisan politics and same-old-same-old loyalist claptrap.

Or you can try and convince everyone that you know what had to have a multi-million pound enquirey to try and figure out?

Looking at the evidence its OBVIOUS that something untoward was up on behalf of the British Army.

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_-MaSSiMo-_
01-02-2005

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i rest our case.

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JohnDunn87
01-02-2005

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hahaha i laugh at your petty comments. firstly, im a socialist, and i hate ALL paramilitaries, especially the UDA and even more so the UVF, so how am i a loyalist? i dont believe in borders, so nor am i a unionist. but ive seen first hand what the IRA can do. mcguinness admitted he was a commander of the derry brigade in 72, and that he was present. but he wont say anything else. so the IRA was present and shots came against the paras? so i suspect the IRA fired the first shots. i dont want to justify any death, cos every life is precious. but to accuse paras of being murderers, cold blooded murderers, is out of order. they didnt choose to be stationed here, its their job, give them some credit. so you guys are the biased ones, i merely came to a logical conclusion.

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JohnDunn87
01-02-2005

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also, i took emaon mccanns word cos he was a republican, and a socialist, thus he was biased against the paras. yet he agreed with them on that aspect? an important opinion methinks

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JohnDunn87
01-02-2005

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ALSO, im an atheist, just thought that was important when debating the history of NI

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IrishJ
01-03-2005

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post 1:
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A Logical conclusion? How can you possibly come to a logical conclusion when your first premise is wrong?

There were shots fired at the Paras, that is truthful. The issue is twofold, though. Were the Paras shot upon first? And if so, was there justification in shooting dead 13 unarmed men?

McGuinness was the leader of the Derry (its Derry again now, is it? :D) brigade in 72, but the fact that the IRA (both Official and Provisional) were present in Derry that day doesnt mean that they shot first.

And a SOCIALIST that hates paramilitaries!?! Gahahaha. Tell it to the hundreds of thousands of past Socialist Revolutionary Soldiers who've died in the name of Socialism.

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Quote: Irish Examiner

<<"
JOURNALIST and Bloody Sunday campaigner Eamon McCann yesterday urged the Provisional IRA Army Council to release its members from their oath of secrecy to testify to the tribunal claiming they were ‘‘polluting the truth’’ if they did not do so.
Issuing the appeal from the witness box at the Saville Inquiry, he also said he now believed the Provos fired no shots in Derry on January 30 1972 when Army Paratroopers shot dead 13 Catholic men in the city.">>

Okay sure, whatever floats your boat.

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To even SUGGEST that the conflict in Northern Ireland has ANYTHING to do with theistic points of view on scripture, or even to do with religious issues pertaining to actual religious practice is LAUGHABLE.

the Catholic/Protestant divide in NI is strictly a political one, defined in terms of Catholic/Protestant simply because of the dynamic established with the Plantations of Ireland, and continued with the plantation of Ulster.

You claim to be an Atheist, that is fair enough, but you cannot be immune to the sociopolitical dynamic of the country, it is impossible. If you are really from Northern Ireland, you were baptised. Church of Ireland {Anglican}, Irish Presbyterian, or Free Presbyterian {Evangelical Fundamentalist}. Thus "Protestant" in the political sense. Or you were baptised a Roman Catholic and are "Catholic" in the Political sense. You will obviously then have been raised in either Social group. Attending a segregated school, and inheriting, whether or no you wanted them, the political views of your community.

By the way your first post was worded i'd say you were baptised Anglican and grew up in a Protestant area of Derry City, or Co. Londonderry. I'd say i'm right as well.

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IrishJ
01-03-2005

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Actually, scratch that last bit. If you were actually from Derry, Protestant or Catholic, you would've called it Derry. Not Londonderry - a name used only by sycophantics intent on putting the Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist stance of the town in no doubt, and is usually followed by one or more of these:

NO SURRENDER!

WE LOCKED THE DOORS, AND KEPT YOU OUT!

BURN LUNDY!

FUCK THE POPE!

The fact that Derry is now a Catholic majority town really seems to irk some people. Oh well.

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JohnDunn87
01-03-2005

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nah ur wrong actually. firstly, it has everything to do with scripture, since carson wanted "a protestant parliament for a protestant people." the fall of sunningdale, based entirely on the fear of "Rome rule" by unionists. check ur eamon mccann quote: "he also said he NOW believed the Provos fired no shots in Derry on January 30 1972 ." hes clearly changed his mind since the actual event. also, the reason i hate paramilitaries is because they've wronged me, and none of them are fighting for socialism, they're primarily republican or loyalist. and i didn't attend a segregated school either, and i live in a mixed community. so dont think you know me, cos u dont.

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JohnDunn87
01-03-2005

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I couldn't give a toss whether londonderry is a catholic majority town or not, that doesn't nother me. u guys are just sectarian, as proven by your stupid comments

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JohnDunn87
01-03-2005

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protestant/unionist/loyalist, i like the way you think all 3 are one and the same. what about ivan cooper of the SDLP? one of the leaders of the civil rights marches, and a protestant man. so shooooooooooosh

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IrishJ
01-03-2005

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Gahahahaha. All you are doing is demonstrating your stupidity further. You might as well go out and paint it on a wall.

What has Edward Carson wanting a Protestant Parliment got to do with Scripture?! That is a political motivaiton, not a scriptural/theistic one you nutter.

And i dont understand your point about Eamon McCann at all. He has changed his mind? He has evaluated the evidence, and came to a conclusion based upon it. Are you too narrow-minded to do the same? Or will you stick to the preconcieved notion that the Army were firing on Armed men, when all the evidence is to the contrary? Will you continue to assert that you know the truth, even though there is a public enquirey sitting to find out said truth?

My stupid comments, WHAT stupid comments? I've said nothing secterian. You are the one with the stupid comments. The IRA are the paramilitary wing of a SOCIALIST movement. The views you claim you have.

Then you go so far as to say that Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist are mutually exclusive, when in reality, the vast vast vast VAST to the Nth amount of Unionists are Protestants, and ALL +/- n Loyalists are Protestant.

Ivan Cooper was a Protestant who helped organise marches to give Catholics their Civil Rights, correct. I see nothing whatsoever contradictory with what i've said. But again, one Swallow does not a Summer make.

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JohnDunn87
01-03-2005

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Well, why did he want a protestant parliament? Protestantism was his religious belief, you idiot, and so that was a religious motivation, theocracy almost. And yes, he has changed his mind because he was present at Bloody Sunday and came to his own conclusion, then took back his own judgement. The IRA and Sinn Fein claimed to be Marxist until 1980, not anymore. Why do you think America gives them so much money? Also, it only takes one fault to disprove a theory, so Ivan Cooper does prove that Protestants/Unionists/Loyalists are mutually exclusive.
"OMG DID I TELL YOU THAT ALL CATHOLICS ARE EVIL AND IN THE IRA?!!!!!!! " is what you said earlier, then - rather hypocritically - came to a similar conclusion that all protestants are loyalists.

Not Londonderry - a name used only by sycophantics intent on putting the Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist stance of the town in no doubt, and is usually followed by one or more of these:

NO SURRENDER!

WE LOCKED THE DOORS, AND KEPT YOU OUT!

BURN LUNDY!

FUCK THE POPE!

When did I say any of those things? You stereotyped me as a protestant, which I am not, and that is sectarian. Also, check your definitions, sycophant is the noun, sycophanticis an adjective. I like it when people try to be clever and screw up

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JohnDunn87
01-03-2005

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One last thing before i rest my case, if you had actually bothered to follow the Saville Enquiry, you would see that all evidence given, including an Official IRA member admitting he lied to journalists, and the refusal to give evidence of Father Daly and McGuinness (two key eyewitnesses, don't you think) points to a future verdict that the soldiers WERE fired upon first. So why don't you go and read up on the issue before talking crap? Yes innocent people died, but it was a warzone created by the IRA.

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JohnDunn87
01-03-2005

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"A member of the republican movement saw a man with a rifle and heard a shot before he heard shots fired by the Army on Bloody Sunday, the Saville Inquiry has heard." Don't you check these things out? There you have a republican saying that, what does that say?

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JohnDunn87
01-03-2005

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He said he was watching a number of young men stoning a small barricade in the area of Little James Street when he heard a shot which seemed to have come from a building behind him.

Proof indeed that there was rioting before shooting, which you denied earlier. Ahhh, your stupidity makes me laugh

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IrishJ
01-03-2005

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1) Sychopantic is the adjective, sycophant the noun. So what? Because i said Sycophantics when i obvioulsy meant Scyophants it somehow negates my argument? If you would like me to engage in such pathetic pedantry i can quickly point out a few grammar and spelling mistakes of yours, not to mention the logical and argumentitive fallicies you employ.

Fool.

2) The reason for a Protestant parliment should be obvious when he said PROTESTANT instead of Anglican/Presbyterian/Baptist. It was not a SCRIPTURAL reason, it was a POLITICAL one. You obviously dont understand the semantics of sociopolitical versus scriptural debate.

3) I have read up on the issue, and surprisingly, have come to a different conclusion to yourself, in light of ALL the evidence, and not that given by some.

4) A war zone created by the IRA? Dont let Maggie Thatcher hear you at that! It was the STRICT policy of the british government to deny that there was an actual War going on. Criminalisation. Even a basic knowledge of that history would've aided you well.

5) Once again, you're going to have to do better than isolated evidence as part of a larger tapestry. What you're doing is buliding a Straw Man. An argumentitive fallacy oft used and always refuted.

If the inquirey finds that the IRA fired first, i will accept that. But does the IRA firing first warrent the British Army to shoot dead 13 people who were patently NOT involved at all?

If you are seriously resting your case on the assertation that one person has testified that there was a shot fired first, how will you feel when the vast majority of the republican evidence suggests that the IRA did NOT fire first? Or are you following a logical fallacy that the one who is different must be telling the truth?

Your willingness to build straw men, and resort to Ad Hominem arguments shows how little debating technique you have. It's somewhere between laugh-out-loud funny and groan-and-grimmace, it is obvious that you have come to a conclusion about the outcome of the inquirey, and ignore evidence to the contrary. We are therefore at an impassé.

I too will rest my case, knowing i've given more of an arguement than "OMGFFS U R STUPID!!!111"

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JohnDunn87
01-04-2005

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1) You clearly didn't mean sycophant or else you would have said it.

2) He was disinterested in denominations of protestantism, he simply feared Rome rule. Which makes that a religious reason. It' a simple point, you jackass.

3) Most of the evidence given by republicans is biased, that's why I pointed out that one OIRA member has already admitted lying and that a provo admitted that republicans fired the first shot.

4) "Dont let Maggie Thatcher hear you at that!" Maggie wasn't in power until 1979, 7 years after Bloody Sunday. And everyone knew there was a war going on, hence Ulsterisation and the formation of the UDA. Criminalisation didn't occur until 1976.

5) You have failed to give any evidence whatsoever, instead just trying to show how the evidence I gave was flawed. Yet my "isolated evidence" clearly points to the fact that republicans fired the first shot. And I've already said that I am not trying to justify the deaths, I'm simply trying to make people like you get real and see that the British Army weren't the trigger happy killers you've said they are.

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JohnDunn87
01-04-2005

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I also doubt your claim that you'll accept any results the inquiry gives saying republicans fired first. What about the Widgery inquiry? It claimed republicans fired first and that an illegal march created a highly dangerous situation. Why don't you accept that? I suspect you'll say "because it's flawed." Are you going to do the same thing after Saville?

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JohnDunn87
01-04-2005

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I could give a lot more evidence saying the IRA were present and armed if you wanted? While every soldier gives the same evidence, that they were fired upon first, the cracks really have appeared in the evidence given by republicans. Check out the evidence given by Paddy Ward. Check out the evidence given by Infliction. Check out the evidence of the 5 OIRA members who admitted firing 3 shots. But find a single soldier or officer who does not believe they were fired upon first.

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IrishJ
01-04-2005

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2) He was disinterested in denominations of protestantism, he simply feared Rome rule. Which makes that a religious reason. It' a simple point, you jackass.

-- Political, not Scriptural. Really, you're going to have to try and at least BEGIN to understand the distinction or you'll continue to make the same mistake.

3) Most of the evidence given by republicans is biased, that's why I pointed out that one OIRA member has already admitted lying and that a provo admitted that republicans fired the first shot.

-- Most? ALL of the evidence given will be biased either way. That is the nature of evidence, and the reason why there are conflictinc reports. Sweet Jesus it's not tha difficult to comprehend.

4) "Dont let Maggie Thatcher hear you at that!" Maggie wasn't in power until 1979, 7 years after Bloody Sunday. And everyone knew there was a war going on, hence Ulsterisation and the formation of the UDA. Criminalisation didn't occur until 1976.

-- Yes? And? Again i dont see what you're getting at. Because Criminalisation came post-bloody sunday it somehow negates the british stance that there was never a war in Northern Ireland? As it reflects on bloody sunday, it was an unnofficial policy of the British Government during the early seventies, whether it related to the Criminalisation of the Civil Rights marches, the internment of the Marchers, it still set out to criminalise the Nationalist community.

5) You have failed to give any evidence whatsoever, instead just trying to show how the evidence I gave was flawed. Yet my "isolated evidence" clearly points to the fact that republicans fired the first shot. And I've already said that I am not trying to justify the deaths, I'm simply trying to make people like you get real and see that the British Army weren't the trigger happy killers you've said they are.

-- How can one shred of evidence versus the multiple prove a premise that was flawed to begin with?! That is nonsensicle.

You're also building another straw man of my argument. Where did i even imply that the army were triggy happy killers? Although, that IS their job, and the Para troopers are the elite at killing. As the Derry coroner said “sheer unadulterated murder”.

The Widgery Inquiry?! :D The inquiry which refused to hear eye-witness accounts, the inquiry which was shown to have relied on evidence of a forensic scientist who had neither SEEN the bodies or had ANY information on how they died! The Widgery inquiry has long since lost ALL credibility. That is a very poor argument.

To even SUGGEST that it is the same thing as the Saville Inquiry is pure revisionist bollocks. Sorry, there is no other word for it.

Also, you appear to be confusing IRA with Republican. You claim these are mutually exclusive terms when applied to Loyalist/Unionist, so please refrain.

Look at the facts of the day: No Soldiers were killed. None of the dead were found to have handled a firearm or a bomb. No firearms were recovered. There were no traces of the "Acid-bombs" the soldiers were claiming they had been pelted with.

Evidence by Paddy Ward? The same Paddy Ward who suggests that at the age of 16 he had access to IRA guns and explosives? The same Paddy Ward who others who've given evidence suggest wasnt even in the Fianna, and has described being involved in events which the Fianna were not involved in, according to British intelligence.

I will wait for the publishment of the Inquiry before I make a judgement, though.

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IrishJ
01-04-2005

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Also - one need only prove your assertations false in order to win a debate.

So far you've present testimony of the Widgery Inquiry and testimony of Paddy Ward. You might have well have presented testimony from the man on the moon for all the good it would do.

Also - Martin McGuinness has made statements to the inquiry. Why you seem to ignore this is something for another talk perhaps.

Now, feel free to grab the last word if you so wish, i dont think i'll bother replying - i'm satisifed that your posts are as baseless as they are full of vitirol.

As a word on the song, it is one of my favourite U2 songs, and i particularly enjoyed Bono's speech.

WHERES THE GLORY IN THA'?

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JohnDunn87
01-04-2005

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you still haven't given any arguements, ur still just trying to refute my evidence. and u seem unable to comprehend anything i say. i sarcastically mentioned the widgery inquiry because it was flawed. carson feared rome rule, ie. rule by another religious group with different scripture - its a religious argument. stationing troops seems to imply that there was a war. i gave evidence from republicans which supported the soldiers argument. you will be unable to find evidence from the soldiers supporting republicans argument. where is all this evidence u talk about? all the evidence of the day suggests that the IRA fired the first shot that day, which is what i am trying to say.

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NavySkow
01-27-2005

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This is another beautiful song about the heartache that the Emerald Isle has faced due to the Religious bickering. Even though the fights are political and economic, as well as religious, it all leads to the same thing. Death of the innocent, blood flowing through the streets like wine. To take the lyrics of a newer Irish Band, "We find ourselves in the same old mess, singing Drunken Lullabies"
To JohnDunn87 and IrishJ I plead, stop the bickering, PLEASE. It has led to nothing but sadness and grief.
"Is there life before Death?
After Peace?"
-from Touched by an Angel

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mawk
01-27-2005

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i've listened to this song a thousand times and every single time the marching drums start and i get chills.... can't say that about a lot of music.. one of the most passionately sung and played songs i've ever heard.

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onewinged
02-09-2005

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really good song; i used this for my history presentation about songs with some kind of history on its lyrics.

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