Desperation due to drug addiction.

Wow, Waldemar, you are probably the most stupid troll I have ever had the (dis) pleasure to encounter on any site.

VNV Nation teaches many things, but it does not teach hate. You're just a dumbass, Waldemar.

I don't think this song is a direct response to the Bush Administration. Perhaps the Bush administration is an example of what the song teaches against, but by no means will Bush have been the first to create such a scenario.

well, well, well... For a short time (what does one year mean?) I disappeared... so now I felt an impulse to come and look what is changed... :lol: and I see damned obvious thing:
you, tolerant and so fuckin PC, were ready to kill anyone who disagree - this fact I understood long before - nothing new...
but you are, even more, so STUPID and NARROW-MINDED - you unable to write something new since I felt bored to stay here. It shows one obvious thing: your inner emptiness. Usual at all, f.ex. in AFA movement there's one idea: "against fascism". Without fascism as a bugaboo they'll simply turn into usual "walking stomach" simpson-zombies. As well as you are.
Don't worry, I've read an interview and Ronan's letter. My opinion is still the same.
Still, message of VNV NATION is worthy enough to inspire such people like me.

"The song is a slam against the Bush admin."

What isnt a slam aginst the Bush admin? that is pretty much the general consensus of all "hidden" meaning in every song, even songs made before Bush was in office.

The song is about people being fake and in being that way they wish to not be that way but cant help but not listen to reason dispite what anyone might say.

Funny story: The song is about Bush.

I think he's saying we are damning our selfs and even if he could help, he wouldn't... We feed into sin with every word, every lie. And that diminishes our chances for a Heaven... He's saying we are week and fall into everything we desire. Well, that's what I got from this.

I think he's saying we are damning our selfs and even if he could help, he wouldn't... We feed into sin with every word, every lie. And that diminishes our chances for a Heaven... He's saying we are week and fall into everything we desire. Well, that's what I got from this.

"Zycloned_Leviathan on 11-04-2005 @ 01:48:58 PM
great song, but is it true that vnv nation are nazis?"

I have the answer to this (hopefully this will shut up waldemar for good, I hope nobody minds if i post this in a couple other places on here, because I would really like to get those people to go elsewhere). I e-mailed their info address and told them I was looking for information on behalf of myself and a few others on what VNV Nation's policy is on having white supremacist fans, and Ronan wrote back. (I'm trying not to lapse into fangirl squealing 'bout getting mail from my favourite artist.)

"Hi there,

Thanks for writing.

To be honest, this is the first time I've heard of any fans being vocal about white supremacist views. I've seen arguments between people with very deeply held religious beliefs about the interpretation of songs but nothing akin to what you're telling us about.

I am sorry that your experience has given you cause to wonder about us. Even a cursory view of our lyrics would tell people that our message is a positive and benevolent one. It is a message of self betterment. It is humanist and it goes out to people all over the world. We have been on record saying this many times. Our fanbase includes people from a large number of ethnic backgrounds and nationalities, people from a large number of different religions, those with deeply held spiritual beliefs and those without, people with different political beliefs, lifestyles and sexual orientation. We are very proud of this. We are especially proud to know that our music and words provide a common meaning to such a wide variety of people.

Our music and its message are most definitely non exclusive and do not stem from or espouse an ideology or political message. What we don't want is to be promoted by anyone with an extremist view should it lead others to think that we share those views, whatever they may be. As for our line on fans with extreme views : In my travels, I have met many people through VNV Nation with views that would be called "extremist", both religious or political. Reading that, one might assume that I mean people with extreme right wing opinions or of European origin but It would surprise many to know that this is not the case not to mention the range of views that I have come across and from people of very different ethnic backgrounds and orientation. My line has always been that, people will hold whatever view they wish to hold, no matter what anyone has to say. BUT.. these views are their own and should not be promoted in conjunction with VNV Nation. We are quite categorical in that we do not share any extremist views of a racial, political or religious nature. One thing we definitely do not agree with is any message that promotes hatred. I welcome the chance for people to discuss their views in an orderly and intellectual manner in the appropriate setting. The world is full of differing views, but that does not mean people cannot discuss what they believe in an effort to learn more about one another and hopefully to come to a better point of view about the world.

Though it is a rare occurrence, it is not the first time Mark or I have been asked about our personal views on white supremacy. My answer has always been to suggest that those asking speak to our friends, in particular those who are gay or lesbian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist or of African descent. That might take a while as there are quite a few. Something similar to your question happened when we played at an Aids benefit and received emails asking if we were gay and advocate gay rights. This question came from people on both sides of the subject. We're advocates of nothing other than a world with a common goal of solving our mounting problems together, not throwing stones at one another and emphasising our differences.

I hope this answers your question.

regards,
Ronan"

VNV NATION "SONG MEANINGS" INSIDE
15 page interview with Ronan Harris.

http://dancemusic.about.com/od/artistshomepages/a/VnVNationInt.htm

Does nasiz hate gay peope?

vnv is a bible band, although this song in particular isnt from any reading or scriptures does speak about the evils that corrupt one's soul.

waldemar is Not what VNV Nation is about.
vnv are not Nazi nor are they white power. Waldemar's rhetoric is exactly the opposite of vnv nation is about.
Vnv Nation is all about love, poetry, different aspects of war and peace, open mindedness, honesty, struggles, joys, good & evil, spirituality mostly, enlightment, freedom, free thought, expression, tolerance, and never ending light.
Quite the opposite of waldemar.

waldemar is an idiot

The song is about a person beleiving other people and living the lifestyle of others to fit in rather than believing in themselves while steping on and hurting the ones that matter most.
Sort of like following the masses of a trend or fad to fit in while disregarding thier closest dearest friends or family.
The one closest to that person realizes this, lets that person be who they now become, accpets it, does not agree with it, and tries helps that person realize it.

p.s. one of your little facts.

FACT #96: In 1930, about 33% of the world was White. Today, the U.N. estimates that only about 9.5% of the world's population is Caucasian. This percentage is falling rapidly.

doesnt this make whites a minority... i guess there inferior. i guess what ever race has the most numbers right now should kill them because there the "chosen race"

and waldemar, i went to that site and read it with an open mind. wtf is wrong with you. omg. that was easily the longest peace of trash i have ever waisted my time reading.

waldemar, what the fuck is wrong with you.

thats all i have to say.

as for the song, i think it is about religion. i think its about someone who "knows" that it is false and is trying to prove it to some one who is deeply rooted in it in order to "save" them.

as for my use of quotes. this is MY IDEA, this is not what the song is actually about, this is my interpretation. this forum is full of people bitching about peoples interpretations as if there fact... there not. lighten up. (p.s. fuck close minded people like waldemar...)

Well,tbd256...I'm pretty tired to explain here basical things that are obvious, as for me.I just advice you (and all people still having anti-racist point of view)to read an article "Blacks & Whites: 100 facts (and one lie)on this address:
www.thepaganfront.com/oriana/article_100facts.htm
PLEASE, just spend 20 minutes of time and JUST SIMPLY READ IT.This is the most easily written stuff among all the numerous WP literature I know.
This article is also available on many other websites...
Just read.And then try to disprove author's point of view (if you can, of course...:)))
Disprove w/arguments, not a primitive bow-wow-wow like "oh oh oh, what a fuckin racistic thing, it's shit, it's antihumanistic perverted sadistic delirium!!!..."
:-D

waldemar-

"Well...maybe threads of Skuld are laced such a way we'll meet some day upon the battlefield of RAHOWA,maybe not...who knows?...But if we're doomed to meet(just imagine)-undoubtedly we'll be enemies.MY side fights for Health, Grandeur and Pride of the European Race.As for you...
...maybe you'll be in the refugee camp, yelling "oh damned nazi bastards, what they do?!SAVE OUR LIVES, AMERICA!!!!!!!":)))))))"

Have you ever considered that you might just be delusional?

As for standing for everything right that relates to the "european race". have you ever considered that just about every problem in the world started by humans for any race is caused caused by people like you: That would by totalitarian, racist, fascist, meglomaniacal scum such as yourself? There is no difference between people of a different color or religion. Now, you are probably going to atempt to disprove that with some ranting over aryans and media or mass propaganda conspiracy theories. To this let me say: even if a conspiracy of that nature were true, and it would take and idiot to believe such crap, then it wouldn't matter anyway. The concept of racial equality has other things to back it up. all sorts of complex ideas that you obviously are not familiar with, nor could you apparently grasp even if you had ever heard of them. They are called logic, reason, objectivity and the use of a properly functioning brain. There is a reason way every origianal thought about racial inequality and hatred has always stemmed from either a personal lust for power or a sick and perverted mind.

Re-tbd256:
Well...maybe threads of Skuld are laced such a way we'll meet some day upon the battlefield of RAHOWA,maybe not...who knows?...But if we're doomed to meet(just imagine)-undoubtedly we'll be enemies.MY side fights for Health, Grandeur and Pride of the European Race.As for you...
...maybe you'll be in the refugee camp, yelling "oh damned nazi bastards, what they do?!SAVE OUR LIVES, AMERICA!!!!!!!":)))))))
But let imagine you fighting,even w/bravery, defending "ideals" of democrazy, liberalism, multiracial/capitalistic/jew-loving/drug-legalized/gay-loving/bla bla bla happy fuckin progressive world.
We met.
You can kill me as well as I can kill you.
If I die in this fight, with machinegun in my hands-I'll be exalted to The Hall of Bronzen Shield,to the Domain of ONE-EYED ALLFATHER.
...while your soul will be just a drop in a huge foodtorrent for Yawning Jaws of NIDHOGG (=DECAY OF DECREPIT),then your remains shall rot in swamps of HEL.
Why?...
Just cause WE stand for NOBLE, CREATIVE, HEALTHY Ideals, And you-for decay and degradation.
Vladmyr-my heils, bro.
"...anti-racist side of this debate have such a low IQ they have to jump straiight at abuse".
It's usual thing,it particularly shows our rightness.
Re-willen:
"The other thing is that though we may be brainwashed by media controlled by jews, what does not say that you are brainwashed by parents/teachers/friends?"
Reawakening is a process of all hallutinations erasing.I reawake.And you?
Simple origin is bullshit. Read medical literature.
"...fallen civilization as mythology".Something fallen may rise again.
"Also, i cant see why Ragnarök seems so elusive, it has already happened, and out of the ashes of yggdrasil our world was born."
NO.Just read Edda.

First of all, The same site that vladmyr uses to get facts supporting his theory that VNV is engaged in the white power movement also provide facts on the oppisite.

One argument he states is the quote "VNV Nation´s inspiration was originally the clash of modern and classical Europe cultures".
Later in that sentence though they say: "but this has since broadened to encompass a world view"

Not wery pro-european to me.

Also the VNV in the name according to the band stands for "Victory Not Vengeance"

Lastly, they point out that "VNV Nation does not advocate any ideology".

All of this can be found at www.vnvnation.com and then propaganda

To Waldemar, yes, there might be some NS here that may want to hear your opinions, but are you that unorganized that you do not have a better forum to trade opinions than this lyrics-site?
Ideas based on racial biology fails on the point that so called "aryans", jews, "niggers" and whatever culturally och estetically different group of people you want, differ wery little genetically, approximatly zero. We are one species, but do not have different races.

The other thing is that though we may be brainwashed by media controlled by jews, what does not say that you are brainwashed by parents/teachers/friends?

And as a nordbo, i am well oriented in nordic mythology, and i cant see why you who strive after power and domninance can choose a fallen civilization as mythology.
Also, i cant see why Ragnarök seems so elusive, it has already happened, and out of the ashes of yggdrasil our world was born.

Personally, i feel to cite the lyrics from the band combichrist:
"Lying piece of sack of shit!
Slut, trashcan, scumbag dirtbag!"

He hates them because he is scum, I dont care what color or religion his is, he and any like him, such as the moron with the post above you are some of the most pathetic and worthless examples of human life that you will ever find. Study up.

As for you waldemar, feel free to drop dead, you are truly not worth the air you breath.

why does waldemar hate black people and jews

wow i started a internet RAHOWA by giving an honest opinion. lol. nice to see debate can still live, but it's semi unfortunate that the anti-racist side of this debate have such a low IQ they have to jump straiight at abuse. waldemar. nice comment

Well,"SolsticeTheory",as you're female,I don't wanna abuse you...I'll just say-
"race and color is far more determined by where you live than how intelligent and amazing and "worthy" you are. Some people just don't have the head for geography, natural selection, logic, etc..."-
TOTAL DELERIUM!!!You really entrust official tv propaganda?Sad.:(((
"...nobody gives a shit about what you think."Have some attention to notice:I'm not only one NS here.