I thought they he was screaming st. jimmy.
..........ok never mind

Haha why is Tre in a dress?

I love this song! Especially "bombs away is your punishment"
I don't think it's just about Bush.

"Hear the sound of the falling rain
Coming down like an Armageddon flame..."

Atom bomb anyone?

Oh, by the way- my fave part of the clip is where Billie Joe is running to keep up with the car and it stops and he cracks up laughing. That and Tre throwing up. I don't know why...

God this music video cracks me up...it's so weird...Tre looks better in a dress than some women I know.

Bookcase wrote:

>You know it's funny with you extreme left wing nuts: You preach about stopping war and keeping people from dying, but you apparently advocate the extreme slaughtering of millions of people (and yes it is millions). Let's not forget to mention all the "liberals" who bitched and moaned how we are killing "innocent Iraqis." Where the hell were you the whole time Saddam torturing whoever they pleased?

Bookcase, I don't know how old you are, buddy, but I'm old enough to remember when the news reports started coming in about how Saddam Hussein was gassing the Kurds in Halabja and other places. At the time it was the left that was exposing his crimes and the flag-waving pieces of refuse like *you* who either rationalized it, ignored it, or said nothing because you are too illiterate to find Iraq on a map before your leader declared them to be public enemy number one. I was 13 at the time, and even I thought "Why are we supporting this maniac?" The silence from the flag-wavers, shall we say, was deafening.

Those on the left (which I am not, btw; I'm an anarchist who despises left-wing and right-wing statism with equal vigor) have never ignored Saddam's crimes and do not today. The anti-war side has simply stated that the U.S. military is there to deal with threats to the United States. In other words, we advocate the same foreign policy that was advocated by Washington, Jefferson, Monroe, John Quincy Adams, and all the other folks you might have encountered whenever you last opened a history book. What is now reviled as "isolationism" used to be called "neutrality" or even "patriotism"--before that latter word became associated with the belligerent nationalist fanaticism exemplified by the current redneck-in-chief.

If you want to find out a little bit about what conservatism really is, turn off Limbaugh and Hannity and read Lew Rockwell, Murray Rothbard, Paul Craig Roberts, or even Pat Buchanan--people who, unlike the war-crazed talking heads, actually have some sense of historical perspective that hasn't been addled by kneejerk patriotism. Who knows, you might grow to like actual *analysis* once you get used to it.

does anyone know what is represented when they talk about being on a holiday?

um hello, well id just like to say i think this is a great song. Looks like it sure has made quite a arguement, but oh well. I really enjoy the tune and think it really keeps you listening. If you stopped argueing i think you could enjoy it. oh, and the videos pretty cool

I absolutely love this song and it's anti bush anti war theme. Catchy tune. Bilie Joe is a hottie. Gotta love the music in it. Good lyrics. What else is there to it? Do I have to spell it out? This song is awesome.

DJ Jacques I'm glad someone around hear remembers history... We only stopped being allies with Saddam because he threatened to spread fire over Israel. Until that point Reagan collaberated with Iraq to defeat Iran in their dirty little war. We gave them intelligence, loads of money, and the capability for weapon systems. The Germands supplied them with a lot of the chemical reagents for the chemical weapons they used on the Kurds. The Kurds were just in the middle of it all and Saddam used the genocide to clear out the threat. Of course he was a dictator and has no comparison with Bush. Problem that Bush's integrity was greatly damaged when he changed his story. Now he's trying to find a plan for his failing social security venture, but he's not the same old confident Bush. His popularity is waning because his demeanor is no longer stout as it once was. It's dangerous to let one man control our foreign policy entirely if there is no dissention within his ranks. If Colin Powell had had more sway we'd have been out of Iraq and hailed as heroes around the world. As the war drags on longer and longer we lose support within the U.S. and our troops are serving more tours of duty and of course it is the poor that get the brunt of this. The wives and families of soldiers find it difficult to cope without support. How is this justice? We can't throw around our armed forces like this. We break the pact when they are mistreated. In war the poor suffer, and throughout this war it is the poor of Iraq that have suffered the most. We can afford bombs to drop on them. They are the people that have their flesh melted away from the bone. Our own soldiers have no choice but to follow orders so let's look at the top of the chain and the commander in chief. It's an abuse of power and for you to call the media "liberal" is a fallacy. While many of the opinion pieces may lean left especially in newspaper editorials, the fact is that much of the press was afraid to ask the real questions in the months before the war. Instead of that they all jumped on the bandwagon in support of Bush. Of course Bush rewards the same man he blames for the intelligence failures, George Tenet, with the medal of freedom. How's that for justice... Not only does Bush not take responsibility, but he rewards the man he used as a scapegoat for the failures of intelligence.

And Bookcase I'm assuming you are calling John Paul II a left wing crazy liberal because he is against the war in Iraq? At least he knew who the real victims were in all of this...

im not atempting to read that but alll i know is this politicaly based song is very addictive and it rocks

I know this song's main idea is anti-war but i was wondering if the line " Ashamed, The ones who die without a name" could be refering to abortion??? yes? no? maybe?
anyways, thats as political as im gunna get.
THIS SONG IS AWESOME!

Even though this has nothing to do with being 'On Holiday' Literally, this is like my personla anthem for a couple of weeks as I endure the boring school holidays...

DJ Jaques: "Bookcase, I don't know how old you are, buddy, but I'm old enough to remember when the news reports started coming in about how Saddam Hussein was gassing the Kurds in Halabja and other places. At the time it was the left that was exposing his crimes and the flag-waving pieces of refuse like *you* who either rationalized it, ignored it, or said nothing because you are too illiterate to find Iraq on a map before your leader declared them to be public enemy number one. I was 13 at the time, and even I thought "Why are we supporting this maniac?" The silence from the flag-wavers, shall we say, was deafening.

Those on the left (which I am not, btw; I'm an anarchist who despises left-wing and right-wing statism with equal vigor) have never ignored Saddam's crimes and do not today. The anti-war side has simply stated that the U.S. military is there to deal with threats to the United States. In other words, we advocate the same foreign policy that was advocated by Washington, Jefferson, Monroe, John Quincy Adams, and all the other folks you might have encountered whenever you last opened a history book. What is now reviled as "isolationism" used to be called "neutrality" or even "patriotism"--before that latter word became associated with the belligerent nationalist fanaticism exemplified by the current redneck-in-chief.

If you want to find out a little bit about what conservatism really is, turn off Limbaugh and Hannity and read Lew Rockwell, Murray Rothbard, Paul Craig Roberts, or even Pat Buchanan--people who, unlike the war-crazed talking heads, actually have some sense of historical perspective that hasn't been addled by kneejerk patriotism. Who knows, you might grow to like actual *analysis* once you get used to it. "

First of all buddy, you have a lot of audacity to come in here and try to tell ME what I have or haven't read. Don't predicate my education solely on my prior statement because you don't know two sh*ts about me, and I can only imagine you are well versed on horse-sh*t history that you and your "well informed Anarchist" buddies swap around because you are simply too "elite and rebellious" for our political structure. Get a F'in clue. I dare you to remotely start a country with an anarchist society. It would get you nowhere, and would probably set society back one thousand years. I laugh at the whole idea that you think you are an anarchist, because you probably have no freakin' clue on what one really is, and what being an anarchist society entails. Get a day job buddy, so you can at least help the economy if you aren't going to support government.
On another note: Just because I supported Bush and love my country(who I don't really love) over that half-assed canidate John Kerry means I am a "nationalist redneck?" And apparently by your use of the word redneck, everyone from the South must be one. I highly doubt you are as educated as you think you are. Your "elite anarchist" ideals are clearly distorting YOUR views on reality.
Yes, I support Bush over Kerry. I don't love George Bush but I thought he was the better canidate. And at least I voted and voiced my opinion, I'm sure you didn't even get out there to express your disgust for our president. Then again, if you did vote, you are clearly disobeying the rules of true anarchism.
Yes, I supported the war because a malicious human being such as Saddam Hussein should be taken out of power. It's not a question of if, it was a question of when. And since our friendly "allies" France and Germany weren't going to help out (They had trading ties with Saddam; Oil anyone?), it was up to the U.S, Britain, Australia, and other allied countries to take the fight on. I would want my leader out of power if he was as sadistic as Saddam was/is.
As for your statement that the Republicans were staying quiet when Saddam was gassing the Kurds...I highly doubt that, considering our Republican president at the time was an advocate of the war. Also, this war wouldn't even be happening right now if it wasn't for Colin Powell who urged the president to pull out and to not completely take out Saddam.
As for us supporting Saddam? No sh*t it happened. I'm not ignorant. But maybe you are to history considering some U.S congressmen (J.F.K's father for one) was an advocate of the Nazi party before World War 2. (which is why he stepped down from his position) We also supported Osama Bin Laden when he gave him weapons to fight of the Russians who we were stuck in the cold war with. What's your point? No one could have predicted that all three parties would come back to bite us in the ass. I don't have a crystal ball that tells the future, do you? It's easy to sit back and play Monday morning quarterback and criticize our government for it's past mistakes. Get off your high horse you jackass.

To brop52----I would consider John Paul II to actually be too conservative for my moral and social views. This may upset people, but I think he set the Catholic Church back a few hundred years. We need a Pope who is willing to move ahead with the times.

All this stuff is great about the trials on bush and crap BUT!!! if you've seen the music video you get VERY confused...like he's driving ontop of the car and its weird and has nothing to do with government..someone explain!

lildrumdude, hey i agree with you its very confusing! i guess it has sumthin to do with the lyrics and how theyre all anti this and that
but i wish everyone would stop argueing about politics and just talk about the song and video

Yes John Paull II has been against discussion in the church but at least he's not hypocritical about every stance he's taken like most politicians/

Bookcase, if Bush was going to start the war of non-necessity maybe he should have actually handled it correctly and not expected our troops to do all the work on their own. I'm glad Bush can take a stand, but he has to have people under him that actually tell him the truth instead of being yes men. I'm hoping you don't claim that the whole disbanding the Iraqi army and diplomacy leading up to and during the insurgency was exactly stellar in the administrative aspect of the war.

Of course Reagan didn't support the gassing of the Kurds specifically, but the administration looked the other way, because they didn't want to hurt the Iraq-U.S. relations. We were staunch allies of Saddam up until the invasion of Kuwait. If we actually cared about human lives and liberty it wouldn't have mattered back then in the 80s. We would have prevented the genocide as it was happening but instead we decided that Iraq was somehow better since they were giving us cheaper oil than the theocracy in Iran that was elected by the people.

People like some of you poor fellows make me wish political songs didn't exist. In every single possible form of a chat room about a political song, people come in and get into a huge heated debate while the SONG in itself is completely forgotten from the discussion.

Bookcase, a few points, in no particular order:

1. I questioned the level of your education not because of your specific position but because your frothing rhetoric identifying those opposing the war as "extreme left-wing nuts" and your historical misrepresentations (e.g. liberals said nothing about Saddam's crimes) sounded like they were lifted from the talking points of Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage or someone of their ilk, rather than from an informed and fair source.

2. Your depreciation of my anarchist views has nothing at all to do with the argument, since they have nothing at all to do with the argument. The point is the same whether I am arguing from an anarchist perspective, a liberal perspective, a paleoconservative perspective, a utilitarian persepctive, or any other perspective you can think of. If you want to discuss anarchist moral and political theory sometime, we can do it in an appropriate place. In other words, don't try to change the subject.

3. Statements such as "JFK's father was an advocate of the Nazi Party" do not help your case. Ambassador Kennedy was in favor of mending U.S.-German relations, and he was entirely right to be. World War 2 was another example of mendacious leaders creating phantom threats and gulling the public into accepting them, the leaders, as white knights riding out to protect the population (the truth, as always, was exactly the other way around.) I'm glad you brought up the Nazis though, since German propaganda of the late 1930s bears a startling resemblance to that of our own nationalists and flag-wavers today. Except for one detail: Poland and Czechoslovakia (let alone the U.S.S.R) presented more of a threat to Germany than Iraq was to the United States. Compared to Bush, Hitler seems to have been rather sane.

4. As for the senators who went groveling to Baghdad in 1990 (after the worst of Saddam's crimes were already in the past), four of the five were Republicans. Bob Dole and Alan Simpson were there, and so was Democrat Howard Metzenbaum. Simpson said to Hussein "I believe that your problems lie with the Western media, and not with the U.S. government. As long as you are isolated from the media, the press and it is a haughty and pampered press they all consider themselves political geniuses. That is, the journalists do. They are very cynical. What I advise is that you invite them to come and see for themselves."

Simpson, et al, were thus advocates of Ba'athism, if Joseph Kennedy was an advocate of Nazism.

Greenday and MCR are on tour.Man I wish they\'d come here ....... wait maybe not cause Im not allowed to go to a concert which will make ma feel really bad that I cant watch two great bands........sigh... How lucky are those people who get the chance to see them live ;(

Im not really in to history so I dont know what you guys are talking about..........

Rock On!!

I havent read thru all these posts. I got the American Idiot Album after hearing the title track on the radio, and it got me into greenday. (I was anti-bush and anti-war in iraq before it was cool!! it's a mockery of the whole US mantra. they're Forcing "Liberty" onto a people who obviously dont want it. but this isnt the place. so i'll take my soapbox elsewhere and by the way "Scattered" post 10-15-2004 (page 1) if bush doesnt want global domination, he's hiding it pretty well). I saw Greenday live in Perth a coupla months ago and billy says "this song is a big F*CK YOU to George W Bush". which it obviously is, and its about time too.

this song is sweet. ok, i'm not american but how could one argue for the iraq war that has no defined motive?? bookcase, u r probabaly an alarmingly staunch right wing activitist. i fear for u. if they ever find out indonesia has oil, god help me. i DO not want to be caught in cross fire, having somewhere only hundreds of miles away from me.
green day has surely won me over with their dare-to-stand out take on current affairs. everyone should respect that

"This is a big f$% you to Bush"
-Billy, 4/28/05 as he introduced it.
I don't agree with everyone that he is the closest thing to Hitler, I think somehow you can find a few more examples in the world. Just what he said.

Yay 200th comment. Anyways, i think we've all gathered that its an anti-war/iraq//bush thing. It's amazing how the comments have turned into heated political debates. Let's just enjoy the musical quality of the song for a change and leave the debating to the American Idiot board