I would love to tour the Southland
In a traveling minstrel show
Yes I'd love to tour the Southland
In a traveling minstrel show
Yes I'm dying to be a star and make them laugh
Sound just like a record on the phonograph
Those days are gone forever
Over a long time ago, oh yeah
I have never met Napoleon
But I plan to find the time
I have never met Napoleon
But I plan to find the time
'Cause he looks so fine upon that hill
They tell me he was lonely, he's lonely still
Those days are gone forever
Over a long time ago, oh yeah

I stepped up on the platform
The man gave me the news
He said, You must be joking son
Where did you get those shoes?
Where did you get those shoes?

Well, I've seen 'em on the TV, the movie show
They say the times are changing but I just don't know
These things are gone forever
Over a long time ago, oh yeah



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"Pretzel Logic" as written by Walter Carl Becker, Donald Jay Fagen

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    General Comment:A similar feeling and message can be found in a number of their songs...or as Neil Young replied when someone from the audience yelled, "all your songs sound the same" -......."Its all one song"
    Flag hans5on May 10, 2013   Link
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    General Comment:"These things are gone forever, over a long time ago"...what things? 1) wanting to be a star, 2) wanting to meet an lonely Napolean, and 3) being embarassed about the unfashionable shoes one happens to be wearing....

    This is a song about the ego dying..the part of you that gives a shit about inconsequential things...that adolescent kid grows up....The Dan are cool...cuz they went through these deaths and are out on the other side...grown ups playing grown up music
    Flag hans5on May 10, 2013   Link
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    My Interpretation:I think I can explain this song -- if you really want to know.
    The song is about a type of hypocrisy that most of us engage in sometimes, as in, "I'm not a racist,
    but I'd love to tour ... in a traveling minstrel show." Or: "I know he caused a lot of suffering,
    but I'd love to meet Napolean," etc.
    The song refers to changing times, just as we comfort ourselves by saying "lots of progress has been
    made." Then, the tail-end irony: the singer stepped up on the platform (perhaps a platform for a
    "time-train") and is told "you must be joking son." Now he's been has been "profiled" as not good enough for the time-trip (or whatever he was planning on). The more things change, the more they stay the same.
    Logic, like time, is linear; hypocrisy twists it into "pretzel logic."
    (Genesis 41:15-16)
    Flagged ProfessorAndroon April 12, 2012   Link
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    My Interpretation:All cultural and historical events are of very short shelf life in the march of time. What seems so important to us at any moment loses much of it's immediatcy with time. Each era is lost to the next ones that follow. I find a similar idea in Steely Dan's "Caves of Altimira" ... although the loss of meaning in that song is lost over the period of the narrator's transition from a child to a man.
    Flag nigelhabercomon March 24, 2012   Link
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    My Interpretation:I'm surprised no one has pointed out the historical point of view. the song seems to told by white man who wants to be part of a southern "minstrel show", where white people often used blackface to entertain the masses "I'm dying to be a star and make them laugh." The ironic statement "I have never met Napoleon
    But I plan to find the time." is meant to be funny since minstrel shows capitalized on the supposed ignorance of blacks. The narrator laments that his opportunity to be a "star" is gone since minstrel shows are no longer socially acceptable "They say the times are changing but I just don't know, These things are gone forever, Over a long time ago, oh yeah"
    Flag songsforsoulon August 04, 2011   Link
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    General Comment:"Stepped up on the platform."

    Doesn't anyone remember the ridiculous 70's platform shoes?

    Of course they were making fun of the scene that they themselves were part of.
    They always had a way of being too hip for what they were doing.
    Flag PeterBenedicton April 16, 2011   Link
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    General Comment:"Fagen once said one of their songs contains a "hidden" account of Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch. I believe this is that song."

    That is one of the funniest things I've ever read, I guess especially if Fagen said it. My vote would go to "Aja".

    Fagen also said that one of their songs contains a secret narration of one of Ronald Reagan's surgeries, from the point of view of one of the polyps.
    Flag tpksummerson February 06, 2011   Link
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    General Comment:If Fagen really said so, it's more likely Chain Lightning.
    Flag Ihlenamon March 28, 2010   Link
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    General Comment:Fagen once said one of their songs contains a "hidden" account of Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch. I believe this is that song.

    "I stepped up on the platform
    The man gave me the news
    He said, You must be joking Son
    Where did you get those shoes?"

    Hitler leaps onto a beer hall table and fires a gun at the ceiling. He is arrested, thrown in jail, writes Mein Kamph.
    Flag elegantpieon March 31, 2009   Link
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    General Comment:In the Steely Dan Biography "Reelin' In The Years", Donald Fagen claims the lyrics of this song are about time travel. In many ways however, I wouldn't be suprised if this song was meant to be somewhat autobiographical. Pretzel Logic was released around '74 or so at time in which the musical landscape was experiencing a transition towards more heavier sounds. Artists such as Grand Funk Railroad and Deep Purple were paving the way for the more edgeier "Classic Rock" Artists that would define the mid to late Seventies. Even by their own self admissions, Steely Dan acknowledged that live audiences were becoming non-receptive towards The Dan's more structured Jazz inspired improvisational performances....a factor which contributed
    to the abandonment of touring after the Pretzel Logic album. In addition to this, the booking of Steely Dan at this time was ridiculous. There would be shows in which The Dan would be booked with the likes of Black Oak Arkansas...and of course they would get blown off the stage. All of these factors, coupled with the factors of which we do not know, had to raise some self-doubts within Steely Dan. Perhaps there were nights when they would question weather or not they should adbandon their jazz style in favor the more straight forward hard rock style
    of music occurring at the time
    Flag Udiceon September 22, 2008   Link

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