Chrome

"Zycloned_Leviathan on 11-04-2005 @ 01:48:58 PM
great song, but is it true that vnv nation are nazis?"

I have the answer to this (hopefully this will shut up waldemar for good, I hope nobody minds if i post this in a couple other places on here, because I would really like to get those people to go elsewhere). I e-mailed their info address and told them I was looking for information on behalf of myself and a few others on what VNV Nation's policy is on having white supremacist fans, and Ronan wrote back. (I'm trying not to lapse into fangirl squealing 'bout getting mail from my favourite artist.)

"Hi there,

Thanks for writing.

To be honest, this is the first time I've heard of any fans being vocal about white supremacist views. I've seen arguments between people with very deeply held religious beliefs about the interpretation of songs but nothing akin to what you're telling us about.

I am sorry that your experience has given you cause to wonder about us. Even a cursory view of our lyrics would tell people that our message is a positive and benevolent one. It is a message of self betterment. It is humanist and it goes out to people all over the world. We have been on record saying this many times. Our fanbase includes people from a large number of ethnic backgrounds and nationalities, people from a large number of different religions, those with deeply held spiritual beliefs and those without, people with different political beliefs, lifestyles and sexual orientation. We are very proud of this. We are especially proud to know that our music and words provide a common meaning to such a wide variety of people.

Our music and its message are most definitely non exclusive and do not stem from or espouse an ideology or political message. What we don't want is to be promoted by anyone with an extremist view should it lead others to think that we share those views, whatever they may be. As for our line on fans with extreme views : In my travels, I have met many people through VNV Nation with views that would be called "extremist", both religious or political. Reading that, one might assume that I mean people with extreme right wing opinions or of European origin but It would surprise many to know that this is not the case not to mention the range of views that I have come across and from people of very different ethnic backgrounds and orientation. My line has always been that, people will hold whatever view they wish to hold, no matter what anyone has to say. BUT.. these views are their own and should not be promoted in conjunction with VNV Nation. We are quite categorical in that we do not share any extremist views of a racial, political or religious nature. One thing we definitely do not agree with is any message that promotes hatred. I welcome the chance for people to discuss their views in an orderly and intellectual manner in the appropriate setting. The world is full of differing views, but that does not mean people cannot discuss what they believe in an effort to learn more about one another and hopefully to come to a better point of view about the world.

Though it is a rare occurrence, it is not the first time Mark or I have been asked about our personal views on white supremacy. My answer has always been to suggest that those asking speak to our friends, in particular those who are gay or lesbian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist or of African descent. That might take a while as there are quite a few. Something similar to your question happened when we played at an Aids benefit and received emails asking if we were gay and advocate gay rights. This question came from people on both sides of the subject. We're advocates of nothing other than a world with a common goal of solving our mounting problems together, not throwing stones at one another and emphasising our differences.

I hope this answers your question.

regards, Ronan"

This song is about people who hide behind what they want people to believe about them, melding their visible life to fit in. 'Chrome disguise/million faces, million lies'

First of all, The same site that vladmyr uses to get facts supporting his theory that VNV is engaged in the white power movement also provide facts on the oppisite.

One argument he states is the quote "VNV Nation´s inspiration was originally the clash of modern and classical Europe cultures". Later in that sentence though they say: "but this has since broadened to encompass a world view"

Not wery pro-european to me.

Also the VNV in the name according to the band stands for "Victory Not Vengeance"

Lastly, they point out that "VNV Nation does not advocate any ideology".

All of this can be found at vnvnation.com and then propaganda

To Waldemar, yes, there might be some NS here that may want to hear your opinions, but are you that unorganized that you do not have a better forum to trade opinions than this lyrics-site? Ideas based on racial biology fails on the point that so called "aryans", jews, "niggers" and whatever culturally och estetically different group of people you want, differ wery little genetically, approximatly zero. We are one species, but do not have different races.

The other thing is that though we may be brainwashed by media controlled by jews, what does not say that you are brainwashed by parents/teachers/friends?

And as a nordbo, i am well oriented in nordic mythology, and i cant see why you who strive after power and domninance can choose a fallen civilization as mythology. Also, i cant see why Ragnarök seems so elusive, it has already happened, and out of the ashes of yggdrasil our world was born.

Personally, i feel to cite the lyrics from the band combichrist: "Lying piece of sack of shit! Slut, trashcan, scumbag dirtbag!"

Wow, Waldemar, you are probably the most stupid troll I have ever had the (dis) pleasure to encounter on any site.

He hates them because he is scum, I dont care what color or religion his is, he and any like him, such as the moron with the post above you are some of the most pathetic and worthless examples of human life that you will ever find. Study up.

As for you waldemar, feel free to drop dead, you are truly not worth the air you breath.

and waldemar, i went to that site and read it with an open mind. wtf is wrong with you. omg. that was easily the longest peace of trash i have ever waisted my time reading.

waldemar is Not what VNV Nation is about. vnv are not Nazi nor are they white power. Waldemar's rhetoric is exactly the opposite of vnv nation is about. Vnv Nation is all about love, poetry, different aspects of war and peace, open mindedness, honesty, struggles, joys, good & evil, spirituality mostly, enlightment, freedom, free thought, expression, tolerance, and never ending light. Quite the opposite of waldemar.

I think he's saying we are damning our selfs and even if he could help, he wouldn't... We feed into sin with every word, every lie. And that diminishes our chances for a Heaven... He's saying we are week and fall into everything we desire. Well, that's what I got from this.

VNV Nation teaches many things, but it does not teach hate. You're just a dumbass, Waldemar.

I don't think this song is a direct response to the Bush Administration. Perhaps the Bush administration is an example of what the song teaches against, but by no means will Bush have been the first to create such a scenario.

fitting in, so about fitting in.

This song is so stuck in my head. I can't wait for the show here in May. It will be my first VNV show, am majorly looking forward to it.