Independence Day

@twostorywindow Well, one would think that the woman dies, ("sent me to the county home") but according to a statement by Martina McBride, the woman doesn't die. But she didn't write the song. Maybe she wants to protect her image. But she didn't write the song. It was written by Gretchen Peters.<br />

@twostorywindow Martina McBride has been quoted as saying, in public, that the woman didn't (doesn't) die in the fire/flames. But even if she said that, she wasn't the one who wrote the song, although she's sung it numerous times. We'll have to ask Gretchen Peters, who wrote the song and who said the song "came from out of the blue." She said this in an interview done by Martina McBride.

@chungjik There is no specific mention of abuse of a child in the song, unless you're saying "I always seemed to get in the way" as clear and solid proof of abuse of the 8-year-old kid. And there's no specific mention of the woman "standing by" her husband, Unless you're saying, "Momma was proud and she stood her ground" as clear and solid proof of "standing by her husband". That's one aspect of things in the situation, but the main problems with "Independence Day include this: You must accept the argument that, at the very least, the song is iconoclasic. It attempts to usurp the title of "Independence Day" which has long been known as a reference to July 4, 1776, when the Second Continental Congress (of the Colonies that had long been beholden to England) adopted the Declaration Of Independence. This song arguably attempts to usurp July 4th, 1776, even if it wasn't actually July 4th on the day the fire happened.<br /> <br /> And iconoclasm isn't the least of the problems of this song.<br /> Why is that, you ask?<br /> As I've already written, the song arguably advocates murder.<br /> There is no specific mention that the woman was in the exact situation of trying to defend herself from her abuser. We must ask: Why didn't the woman take her daughter and run away to another town and hide out? Ah, so you're complaining that "Everybody looked the other way". So what? Why couldn't the mother steal a moment from the husband and run away with her daughter? Why? The song never answers that.<br /> <br /> So, we have the lyrics. We have the celebratory music. And we have the celebratory video.<br /> <br /> And, even before the video begins, we have a girl and a woman reciting "Amazing Grace". Amazing grace? So are you telling me that if anyone says, "God, please forgive me, but I'm about to...." and then what comes next in the sentence? Something horrible and very deadly?<br /> <br /> Come to think of it, I actually read a review where the poster/commenter claimed that the song was, or is, Scriptural in many different senses. Really? Seriously? What does Scripture really say?<br /> <br /> OK, let's look at the Ten Commandments, which are first spoken of in Exodus, the 2nd book of the Bible, which was written by Moses and which was one of the first 5 books, known as the Pentateuch (from Greek) and also referred to by Jewish people as the Torah. What does it say in the Ten Commandments? It says, "Do not kill".<br /> <br /> Oops.<br /> <br /> Right there. The sixth Commandment of the Ten Commandments. The defenders of this song, what do they want to do? They arguably want to rip that Commandment out of the Bible, or they want to say that there are supposedly "exceptions to the Command", or they want to say, "It's all in the way you interpret the verse". Really? Seriously?<br /> <br /> What about if they argue, "We have to look at things in a utilitarian way." Really? So, does a utilitarian argument somehow trump other arguments?<br /> <br /> And guess what: One of the most famous Utilitarians who ever lived on planet Earth, is (was) named John Stuart Mill.<br /> <br /> And John Stuart Mill was an atheist.<br />

@chungjik The sheer use of the words "Independence Day" is arguably iconoclastic and arguably an attempt to usurp the actual day (date) of July 4th, 1776, when the Second Continental Congress adopted the Declaration of Independence from the mother country (England). When we refer to, and look back approvingly upon, the "Independence Day" of 1776, we realize that it has a special place in the history of the United States of America. It is enthroned in American History as one of the significant nomenclatures but now, with the song "Independence Day" which was written by Gretchen Peters and sung by Martina McBride (and also has been performed by Peters herself) is arguably a wicked usurpation of the title of "Independence Day".<br /> <br /> There is a lot we can say, and there are some things we don't know, about the song "Independence Day". For someone to try to dig up a load of Scriptural support for the song, that's really horrible. The woman killed her husband in the fire. The Bible says, "Do not kill". That is the very sixth Commandment, in the book of Exodus in the Bible. There is no evidence that the father killed anyone, but even Martina McBride seems to admit that the woman killed the husband in the fire. (Martina McBride has claimed that the woman doesn't die in the fire -- but she's not the one who wrote the song.)<br /> <br />

@ninakazama Let the right (right to freedom, getting out of the abusive relationship etc) be wrong (likely referencing that the best way to break free isnt to burn down the house)

@ninakazana Sometimes the right thing to do is considered wrong in most circumstances. Occasionally, the wrong thing is the only right option. People face such dilemmas. While the comment about rhyme is reasonable, given the song, "let the right be wrong" makes some sense.

@ninakazama One interpretation is that that lyric goes against the Bible. And thus, we can argue that the song is unbiblical.<br /> <br /> How do we know that? It says, in the 5th chapter of Isaiah, in the Bible, "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil!!"<br /> <br /> Is it evil to kill another human being in the same household? Consider this. Tell me, what's the sixth Commandment inside the Ten Commandments in the book of Exodus in the Bible? "Thou Shalt Not Kill." What did the woman do to the husband in the song?<br /> <br /> Here's one more thing that Martina McBride fans might consider: Did Martina McBride team up with a Christian on this song? Well, let us ask ourselves: Is Gretchen Peters a Christian? Well, consider this: Gretchen Peters is Pro-Abortion. Peters has even donated money to Planned Parenthood.<br /> <br /> Ah, but Planned Parenthood performs mammograms for women, you say? Wrong. They never do mammograms for women themselves. On the contrary: They have been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands and hundreds of thousands more of innocent babies in the womb. We already know this. We know that the babies are innocent. So, let us ask ourselves: Is Gretchen Peters Pro-Life? Or is she Pro-Abortion? And Martina McBride, what can we say about her, when she partners up with a person who we know is Pro-Abortion? What do you think of that?<br />

@mariahlovesmusic Interesting. And when we look back at Martina McBride's statements in public, she has claimed that the woman doesn't die in the fire; the woman survives, according to McBride. Could this be a direct echoing of any statement by Gretchen Peters (the one who wrote the song)? Or, could it be a convenient way out for McBride, to try to justify the killing?<br /> <br /> The sixth Commandment in the Bible (the sixth Commandment within the Ten Commandments in the book of Exodus) says, "Thou Shalt Not Kill."<br /> <br /> What did the mother do to the father?<br /> <br /> Apparently, she killed him.<br />

@wicked_angel One possible argument is that Gretchen Peters (the woman who wrote the song) tried to usurp (or unwittingly usurped) the day (date) of the Declaration of Independence, which was July 4th, 1776. That's when the Second Continental Congress decided to adopt the Declaration Of Independence, a special day (date) in the history of the United States Of America, a day enshrined in American history, and which is not a current repudiation of any English person -- and is only a recognition and remembrance of the war that was won by the Colonies across the Atlantic Ocean from England and a reverence toward the Colonial leaders, soldiers, etc).

@NoWorries1988 The person who thinks that "Independence Day" is a celebration of the Gospel of Christ, apparently doesn't realize some important things about this song. First off, the Gospel of Jesus Christ never contradicts itself. But when we look at this particular song, we know that the lyrics say, at one point, "I ain't saying it's right or it's wrong..." But when we consider that the song is a rousing anthem, containing a rising of the ringing of bells (a reasonable interpretation might be Christian church bells, perhaps Protestant Christian church bells) and that it would be reasonable to say that the song has elements of enthusiasm and/or vigor and/or energy, that seems to be quite a quite a contradiction of the lyric, "I ain't saying it's right or it's wrong". Now, when the daughter in the song is claiming, "I ain't saying it's right or it's wrong", it's safe to interpret that line as the following claim: "Manslaughter could be right", or "Maybe my mother was acting righteously when she slaughtered my dad". More to come...

I am looking again at some of the text there from "NoWorries1988", who claimed in 2006 that the Martina McBride/Gretchen Peters song "Independence Day" is a celebration of the Gospel of Christ. And I read the following: "It is about American’s Independence Day from Hell." There is nowhere in the four Gospels, and there is nowhere in the New Testament, where we are encouraged to commit acts of manslaughter. The Gospel of Jesus Christ never condemns war per se (such as the war of the Colonists against Great Britain, or certain other wars), and never celebrates war per se (unless if we're speaking of God's chosen people, the Israelites). More to come...